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Disappearance of Lauren Spierer Indian University Student

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Disappearance of Lauren Spierer - Wikipedia WikipediaLauren Spierer (born January 17, 1991) is an American woman who disappeared on June 3, 2011, after a night of partying at a bar in Bloomington, Indiana.Lauren Spierer (born January 17, 1991) is an American woman who disappeared on June 3, 2011, after a night of partying at a bar in Bloomington, Indian, falling down and hitting her head and walking to a friends apartment. She was last seen leaving alone  At the time, she was a 20-year-old college student at Indiana University. Her disappearance generated national press coverage and remains unsolved. Spierer was active in the Jewish community at IU and had spent the previous spring break planting trees in Israel on behalf of the Jewish National Fund.[11] On the night she disappeared, Lauren was partying with several male friends. Her boyfriend, Jesse Wolff, said he did not go out with Spierer or her friends that evening. He said he was texting back and forth with Spierer before going to bed.[14]  Lauren's friends and boyfriend told police that in addition to alcohol, Lauren used drugs on the night in question as well as regularly leading up to her disappearance. Wolff's mother alleged that Lauren was asked to leave the summer camp where she met her son and Rosenbaum years earlier because of drug use. "This poor little girl is not with us today because of her drug abuse," Nadine Wolff said. Rosenbaum told investigators that Spierer snorted cocaine and crushed up Klonopin tablets that evening on top of the alcohol she consumed. Police addressed rumors surrounding the possibility of a drug overdose where those with her hid the body to avoid criminal charges, acknowledging that they have not ruled it out, but stressed that there were other possibilities, such as abduction by a stranger.


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Disappearance of Lauren Spierer

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Lauren Spierer
Lauren Spierer.jpg
BornJanuary 17, 1991[1]
DisappearedJune 3, 2011 (aged 20)
Bloomington, Indiana, U.S.
StatusMissing for 3 years, 10 months and 23 days
Home townGreenburgh, New York[2]
Lauren Spierer (born January 17, 1991) is an American woman who disappeared on June 3, 2011, after a night of partying at a bar in Bloomington, Indiana. At the time, she was a 20-year-old college student at Indiana University. Her disappearance generated national press coverage and remains unsolved.[3][4][5]

History[edit]

Lauren Spierer was born in 1991 to Charlene and Robert Spierer, an accountant. She grew up in Greenburgh, New York, a town in western Westchester County.[6][7][8] Spierer graduated from Edgemont High School in Greenville, Westchester County, New York in 2009 and enrolled at Indiana University studying textiles merchandising.[9][10]
Spierer was active in the Jewish community at IU and had spent the previous spring break planting trees in Israel on behalf of the Jewish National Fund.[11]
Spierer met her boyfriend Jesse Wolff, and her friend Jay Rosenbaum years earlier at Camp Towanda, a summer camp in Pennsylvania. It was there that she also met various other future IU students who later became her circle of friends when she went to college in 2009.[12][13]

Disappearance[edit]

On the night she disappeared, Lauren was partying with several male friends. Her boyfriend, Jesse Wolff, said he did not go out with Spierer or her friends that evening. He said he was texting back and forth with Spierer before going to bed.[14] According to witnesses, Spierer was very intoxicated.[12] Using video surveillance footage and witness statements, Bloomington police were able create a timeline of Spierer's whereabouts before her disappearance.[15]

Timeline[edit]

The timestamps in bold indicate surveillance footage. The other times mentioned are on the basis of witness statements.
Friday, June 3, 2011
  • 12:30 a.m. - Witnesses report that Lauren left her apartment with a friend named David Rohn. The pair went to Jay Rosenbaum's apartment and she met up with Cory Rossman, Rosenbaum's neighbor.[15]
  • 1:46 a.m. – Spierer is seen entering Kilroy's Sports bar.[15]
  • 2:27 a.m. – She is seen exiting the bar with Cory Rossman. Lauren left her cell phone and shoes at the bar. She had taken off her shoes when she walked out onto the sand-covered patio. Rossman walked with Spierer to her apartment complex.[12][15]
  • 2:30 a.m. – She is then seen entering Smallwood Plaza apartments, where her residence is located. A passerby named Zach Oakes noticed her level of inebriation and asked if she was okay. Rossman reportedly replied: “She’s OK, I got it." Oakes stated that he told Rossman to take her back to her room. Rossman cursed at Oakes, which led to an altercation in which Oakes punched him, knocking him to the floor. Rossman claimed that this blow caused him to lose his memory of the evening.[12][15][16]
  • 2:42 a.m. – Exits apartment complex. Police reported that Spierer did not go to her fifth-floor apartment during this short visit. Surveillance video shows Spierer stumbling and Rossman helping her to her feet and walking out of the building. A few minutes later, she is witnessed by a bystander sitting down on a staircase and falling backwards, hitting her head on the concrete step. The noise of the impact was loud enough for the bystander to hear it and ask whether she was all right. According to the woman, Rossman replied, “She’s OK, I’ll take care of it.” After they continued up the street, she is witnessed falling again. Because of her intoxication level, she didn't raise her hands to cushion the blow and her face hit the ground unguarded. A few steps later, she fell a third time. At this point, Rossman began carrying Spierer.[12][15][17]
  • 2:48 a.m. – After she left the apartments, she entered an alley that runs between College Avenue and Morton Street. Security cameras mounted on nearby apartments show her exit the alley at 2:51 a.m. and walk toward an empty lot. Spierer’s keys and purse were found along this route through the alley. Spierer and Rossman arrived at Rossman’s apartment shortly after. Michael Beth, his roommate, was at the apartment. Rossman himself was very intoxicated and stumbling. He vomited on the carpet on the way upstairs. Beth stated that he escorted Rossman to bed. He then tried to persuade Spierer to sleep over for her own safety. He claimed Spierer said she wanted to return to her own apartment.[12][15]
  • 3:30 a.m. – Beth said he then phoned his neighbor, Rosenbaum, wanting him to take care of her. Beth said that Spierer was attempting to get Beth to drink with her at her own apartment. She eventually went to Rosenbaum’s apartment, where he observed a bruise under her eye, presumably sustained in the falls earlier in the evening. She told him she didn't know how she got the bruise. Two calls were placed from Rosenbaum’s phone shortly before she is reported to have left. Rosenbaum said Spierer placed both calls, one to Rohn and one to another male friend. Neither picked up and no messages were left.[12][15]
  • 4:30 a.m. – Rosenbaum reports that she left the apartment. This is the last reported sighting of Lauren Spierer. He reported last seeing Spierer at the intersection of 11th Street and College Avenue, headed south on College. She was last seen wearing black leggings, a white shirt, and no shoes.[12][15][18]
  • Several hours later that morning, Jesse Wolff sends Lauren a text [to her phone which she left at the bar]. He gets a reply back from an employee at the bar. He reports her missing.[19]

Investigation[edit]

In August 2011, Police conducted a nine-day search of the Sycamore Ridge Landfill in Pimento, Indiana south of Terre Haute for clues in the disappearance. Thelandfill is where trash from Bloomington gets hauled after a stop at a transfer station. The Bloomington Police Department, Indiana University Police Department, and the FBI took part in the search.[20][21] As of May 24, 2013, investigators had received 3,060 tips on Spierer's disappearance, 100 of which were received during the first half of 2013. Spierer remains missing.[22]

Speculation[edit]

A number of theories have emerged regarding that evening. Lauren's parents have stated that they believe Lauren is deceased. Based on her level of intoxication, they also felt that she may have been drugged while at the bar. "We felt somebody could have slipped something into her drink at Kilroy's," said Robert Spierer. The Spierer family have voiced suspicions about the men she was with that evening as well as her boyfriend, citing the refusal of the men to take police-issuedpolygraphs and the retaining of lawyers soon after Spierer's disappearance. They have stopped short of voicing specific accusations regarding what they believe happened, only that they feel the men she was with that evening haven't been forthcoming.[23]
The men involved have all reported taking polygraphs privately, including one issued by the FBI.[8] The men have stated that their reason behind refusing police-issued polygraphs and retaining attorneys is that they do not trust the Bloomington police.[24]
In regards to her level of intoxication, Lauren's friends and boyfriend told police that in addition to alcohol, Lauren used drugs on the night in question as well as regularly leading up to her disappearance. Wolff's mother alleged that Lauren was asked to leave the summer camp where she met her son and Rosenbaum years earlier because of drug use. "This poor little girl is not with us today because of her drug abuse," Nadine Wolff said.[24]
Rosenbaum told investigators that Spierer snorted cocaine and crushed up Klonopin tablets that evening on top of the alcohol she consumed. Adding to the danger of drug use is a rare heart condition—long QT syndrome—that Spierer had.[25] Police addressed rumors surrounding the possibility of a drug overdose where those with her hid the body to avoid criminal charges, acknowledging that they have not ruled it out, but stressed that there were other possibilities, such as abduction by a stranger.[26]
Bo Dietl, a private investigator hired by the Spierer family, is dubious that a drug overdose could be enough to hide her death, citing the prevalence of drug abuse on the IU campus. “Every kid’s buying pot, cocaine, drinking, pills,” he said. “I mean, it’s all over the place. So that really can’t be the motive behind it.”[12][25]

Missing white woman syndrome[edit]

The heavy press coverage of the disappearance has been dubbed an example of missing white woman syndrome, a phenomenon where the news media disproportionately covers missing person cases that involve young, white, upper-middle class females.[27][28] The Indiana University paper ran a story documenting the disparity between their own coverage of Spierer's disappearance and their coverage of another local disappearance, a woman named Crystal Grubb. Grubb, 29, is also Caucasian, but came from a working-class family where many relatives had criminal histories. Following Grubb's disappearance in 2010, the student paper ran a total of seven stories on the case compared to multiple front page articles and the extensive volunteer presence and national awareness of the Spierer case.[29] An acquaintance of Grubb's commented: "When Crystal went missing, it was in the newspaper like once. For Spierer's disappearance, everyone's here and there's posters everywhere, people walking around. Definitely nothing like that was afforded Crystal. I don't want to say it's because she was of a lower economic class, but that's what it seems to me."[30]

Civil suit[edit]

Lauren Spierer's parents filed a civil suit against Corey Rossman, Jay Rosenbaum and Michael Beth. The suit accused the men of negligence, alleging that Rossman and Rosenbaum supplied Spierer with alcohol after she was already "visibly intoxicated," and then neglected to assure she returned safely to her apartment, which likely led to her death. The family has stated that they hope the lawsuit will lead to the men coming forward with more information about what occurred that night. "I truly don't think it was a random abduction, I think that somebody that Lauren knew was responsible for the events of that evening," Charlene Spierer said. Spierer's parents also told Katie Couric in December that only one of the men has agreed to meet with them. As part of the suit, Spierer's parents subpoenaed private cellphone and academic records spanning 134 days before and after the night their daughter disappeared, a move that the men have called a "fishing expedition".[31] None of the men have been named as suspects in her disappearance.[32]
Federal Judge Tanya Pratt dismissed the suit against all three men. In 2013, Pratt dismissed the suit against Beth, ruling that he had no duty to care for Spierer. Spierer's parents had alleged in the suit that Beth had assumed “duty of care” for her when he offered her a place to sleep and then escorted her to Jason Rosenbaum’s apartment. “The judge said on public policy that it would dissuade people from rendering assistance to someone that’s obviously sick on the side of the road, that’s lost in the street,” said Beth’s attorney Greg Garrison. “You dissuade folks from being involved at all by punishing them if somebody decides later on that they didn’t do enough.”[33] In 2014, she dismissed the suit against the other two, stating "Unfortunately, there could be any number of theories as to what happened to Lauren and what, if any, injuries she may have sustained. Without evidence to prove these theories, it would be impossible for a jury to determine if whatever happened to Lauren was a natural and probable consequence of her intoxication, without any other intervening acts that would break the causal chain."[34] Spierer's parents have appealed the ruling.[35]
Lawyers for the men have stated that their clients have cooperated fully with police and the private investigators hired by the Spierer family, and that all of them have passed private polygraphs. “They’ve been interviewed and interviewed and interviewed, and to say they’ve been less than forthcoming is just not accurate,” said Chapman, who represents Beth and Rohn.[12][14]

See also[edit]


References[edit]

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Jump up^ Corbin, Cristina (June 1, 2013). "Two years later, mystery surrounds disappearance of Indiana University student Lauren Spierer". Fox News.
Jump up^ Mascia, Kristen (January 21, 2013). "Missing Student Investigation: Life Without Lauren". People.
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Jump up^ Cohen, Shawn (June 8, 2011). "Another Bloomington mystery: Killer never found for other woman who went missing". The Journal News.
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[–]Exceptional Poster - Bronzehappilythree 39 points  
From knowing people very well related to her at IU, I have always heard she died due to an overdose and the evidence was hidden by her shady male friends, who were high level drug dealers on campus.
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 18 points  
That's what I've heard. And it seems to fit with the evidence. The head injury worries me too. It's very easy to die of those.
Is the drug dealer angle pretty solid? Or just rumor?
[–]Blueeyes1101 3 points  
A girl(Michelle) I knew was at a party in a pretty shady place when a girl(misty) who she had altercations with before came over. Aparantly she was then seen outside talking to the girl(misty) and the girls friends. The friends had their cells out recording the conversation. The girl (misty) then grabbed michelle who was already intoxicated and threw her to the floor hitting her head repeatedly on the concrete while everyone else watched and laughed. She was then taken back inside and sat on the couch where she eventually died. Nobody even noticed until the next afternoon. Cause of death was fractured skull causing hemmroghing of the brain. The police also said she had 10x the recommended dose of morphine in her system. So yes it is likely that the repeated falls and blows to her head could have killed her.
[–]notovertonight 25 points  
I've got two theories.
The first is that her "friends" found her dead from some type of alcohol poisoning or drug overdose, panicked and hid her instead of calling the police - probably because they supplied her with the drugs/alcohol and were afraid they would be charged as accessories in her death.
The second is that her "friends" found her passed out and perhaps gang-raped her, and then panicked and killed her to cover up what they did.
I'm about 99% sure that her "friends" know what occurred. This is nothing random.
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 13 points  
I guess we really don't know how good a friends she was with these guys. Maybe they were rapey creeps.
Personally, i think they probably would've been too panicked seeing the level of intoxication to get it up. Especially if they are in the drug business. There was enough there to kill her: head injuries, heart condition, massive consumption of drugs and alcohol, so intoxicated she couldn't even sit upright. that alone would explain her death. I think it also rules out her leaving the apartment when they said she did. She was too intoxicated to sober up in that time frame, if you ask me.
[–]notovertonight 11 points  
Oh definitely. Couple it with the fact that she was short and petite - that amount of alcohol would overwhelm her, not to mention if drugs were involved. I do tend to lean toward my first theory more.
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 9 points  
This is third hand knowledge at this point, so take it with a grain of salt, but a friend's aunt knows someone from the Bloomington PD and she said that they basically think that's what happened and aren't really pursuing any other leads.
[–]notovertonight 5 points  
I think it's one of those things were they basically have suspects and a solid theory but no concrete evidence to support it...like with the Hailey Dunn case too.
Unless her "friends" are psycho/sociopaths, I hope one day one of them feels guilty enough to come forward.
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 6 points  
Bingo. I really wish there were laws to protect people who come forward when someone is overdosing. This could've been avoided.
[–]CuntLovingWhore 10 points  
In my state if I were to go to the hospital because I OD on drugs I would be charged with possession by consumption. They say a lot of people die because they know they need help but they fear being arrested so they don't go. They are trying to change the law but it got voted down the last time.
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 7 points  
That is so incredibly sad.
[–][deleted] 6 points  
Republicans.
[–]KikiCollins 6 points  
Many states do have them, they're called Good Samaritan Laws. Not sure if Indiana does though.
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 4 points  
A couple years ago, there was a girl at IU who fell down the stairs at a party with underage drinking and died (they didn't call for help for several hours). I don't know if they made the law at that point or if they just publicized it, but the article I read sounded like, even though there is some degree of immunity there, there were all sorts of loopholes for charging you if they wanted to.
edit: that article makes it clear that there is no immunity when it comes to distributing the drugs. I can't remember specifically what you can be charged with if somoene overdoses on drugs you provided, but it's not good. And we wonder why these things are hidden. :-(
[–]funnyboneisntsofunny 3 points  
what you can be charged with if somoene overdoses
Where I am it's 3rd degree murder
[–]notovertonight 2 points  
I agree!!
[–][deleted] 5 points  
I'm with you on this one. There were just too many "friends" around her during the time of her disappearance.
[–]ainerose 20 points  
This is one of the first cases I followed on websleuths. Her male friends know what happened, whether it was accidental or calculated. She was so small and had a heart condition and from the evidence looked like she could barely stand up that night.
[–]immaseeya 11 points  
Thanks for posting this OP and keeping the conversation alive. Lauren is from my town and there is little talk about the case anymore. When I'm in her neighborhood, I drive by her house just to reflect on her and her poor family.
IMO; she had a medical event related to her partying that night. The "boys" panicked and disposed of her body. I can't believe she hasn't been found or one of them hasn't cracked yet.
[–]disquiet2 8 points  
If I had to guess, at least one of the college kids is covering something up, perhaps an overdose. What did they do with the body though? That's a bit perplexing. This is a strange case for me because I went to camp with one of those friends of hers. He wasn't such a nice kid when we were younger, but that doesn't make him guilty....
[–]disquiet2 4 points  
I guess it is possible that she was actually snatched off the street sometime after 4:30 while walking by herself. This is a difficult one to figure out.
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 3 points  
To me, the problem with that is that it's tough to sober up that much in that short time frame. That makes me think she didn't walk away.
On the other hand, it's not exactly easy to move a body. It would be one thing if they lived in a house with a garage or lived out in the middle of the country, but moving a body out of an apartment building without anyone noticing? I'm not sure what to think.
[–]disquiet2 2 points  
Yeah, you're right. If she's really falling down drunk/whatever earlier she's probably asleep a couple hours later, best case scenario. Do they have cars they could have taken her somewhere in? Idk.
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 2 points  
I know at IU, parking spaces are at a premium, but I would assume between them, they probably have at least one car.
[–]Cpt13 1 point  
Friday, June 24, 2011
"11:30 a.m. In a press conference, when asked if Spierer’s friends hold the key to her disappearance, Qualters answers, “Maybe that’s one of the reasons why they don’t contact us.” He calls it perplexing, curious, disturbing and unfortunate." (Captain Joe Qualters, Bloomington Police Dept.http://ww.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/07/03/news.qp-1931501.sto
[–]thewrightstuff88 9 points  
Her cousin went to my high school and after her disappearance he worked very hard to try to find clues or do anything to find her. It's sad that this happened and that the real truth wasn't found or revealed
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 6 points  
I feel so bad for her family. Not knowing must be the worst. You're constantly in a state of limbo
[–]septicman[M] 6 points  
Hi OP! Thanks for your post. Could you do us a favour, and throw a small synopsis into the description? It allows people to get a sense of what the mystery is about before heading off to Wikipedia.
Cheers!
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 3 points  
Sure :-)
[–]Cpt13 2 points  
No, don't go off running to Wikipedia; someone has changed the account there, some of it is flat out incorrect. The mood on Wiki now seems to be that Lauren should be forgotten--no mention that this case is still under investigation by law enforcement. The attempts to cover up whatever happened are very suspicious.
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 3 points  
What about it is inaccurate? It's all fully sourced to reliable news articles as far as I can see. What specifically do you disagree with?
[–]Cpt13 4 points  
I would also point out that some of the account of Lauren's actions comes from those who were last with her who are also persons of interest. There is the possibility that she was slipped a date-rape drug at the bar, and that is why she forgot her phone and shoes; she is not around to tell what actually happened. The investigation is ongoing and by no means over. The fact remains that she could not have made herself disappear, and those who hid her committed a very serious crime, whatever the reason, whatever the cause of death.
[–]Cpt13 4 points  
There are many media pieces with differing accounts. That Wikipedia version seems to pick and choose, for one thing there are several versions of what Beth said about Lauren and what he was doing that night (Wiki says he was home studying which he did claim at one time), including that he was next door at a party. "That about 3:30 a.m., Beth returned to the apartment he shared with Rossman after being at Rosenbaum’s apartment. He first thought burglars were inside, but found Spierer and Rossman instead."http://ww.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2013/06/27/news.missing-iu-student-lauren-spierer-s-parents-sue-three-men--claim-actions-led-to-lauren-s-death.sto Then there's the reporting of Lauren missing: her friends--two sisters--went to the police station to report her missing. Her boyfriend called Lauren's sister but did not report it to police, as Wiki now infers. Then, according to those close to Lauren, she did not go to camp with J Rosenbaum as the Wiki piece claims. Also, Lauren was in her own building after Kilroy's, when security cameras caught her falling out of the elevator, unable to stand to talk coherently. Rossman scooped her up and took her out of her own building, supporting, carrying her to his own apartment. The focus seems to be on how inebriated she was, when in reality, she was incapable of deciding anything; my question is why wasn't she left at her own building?
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 1 point  
I can't find anything about the two sisters reporting Lauren missing, but I have found several sources that her boyfriend alerted police. The part about Beth being the roomate is fixed.
Also, I don't have any access to these friends who say they didn't go to camp together, but I've seen many news articles that reported they met there. If there is an article where he himself denies going to camp with her, we can justify removing it. But not on the basis of internet gossip.
[–]Cpt13 2 points  
from Legal Pub (yes, this is a blog, but widely accepted as blow by blow record): "Sara and Amanda Roude fill out some type of missing person's report with the Bloomington police. (It appears that Lauren was reported missing within 12 hours of her last alleged sighting.) Unconfirmed reports also describe a possible confrontation between Wolff and Jay Rosenbaum on that Friday." http://legalpublication.blogspot.com/2011/06/lauren-spierer-disappearance-puzzles.html
[–]Cpt13 1 point  
There are numerous discussion boards from way back which talk of the same info, which has gone away in "quotable" mainstream media. There are MM links posted on those boards, but the links go nowhere now.
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 1 point  
Do you have any news articles or anything official that cite the women as the ones who filled out the missing persons report? I've done a lot of googling and all I can find are that blog and a few discussion boards (which may just be going off of the blog). Yet I've found no less than 30 news articles that say Wolff did the search. The one I posted has that information coming directly from the police, so I feel it's probably accurate. It's possible that the true answer is somewhere in between. Wolff made a call to police and the Roude sisters went down to the station to speak with police or something. So both accounts may be true. At this point, I don't think we can justify saying the girls made the report when all we have is an unsourced blog and some gossip vs. numerous news reports.
[–]Cpt13 1 point  
From the link you posted with "boyfriend alerted police" note quote: "Police have called Spierer's boyfriend one of 10 persons of interest", so police are looking at the "friends".
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 1 point  
I have some friends who do wikipedia. If you can get me sources that dispute the reports, I'll see if they can make sense of it all.
[–]Cpt13 1 point  
I will work on that. Thanks. The earlier Wikipedia account was accurate but it morphed into what it is now.
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 2 points  
Also, the sources can't hinge on the claims of Spierer's parents. If it's allegations contained in a lawsuit (like the source you posted above), it's considered an allegation, and therefore not reliable to cite as fact. It has to be a free standing news article that isn't just pulling things from documents of the lawsuit. :-)
[–]Cpt13 1 point  
Here is an earlier account from one of Lauren's companion's own attorney which differs greatly from the Wikipedia account: " ID: Mike Beth
Beth’s attorney, Ron Chapman (who also represents Rohn), tells IM that Beth, an IU student, stayed in all night to work on papers due that day. Chapman also confirms that Rossman was with Spierer when she came to the apartment, and that Beth helped Rossman into bed. Valerie Sokolova, a neighbor, tells IM that Beth has said he went upstairs and, when he returned, Spierer was gone. “That was the last time Mike and Corey saw her,” says Sokolova." http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/features/the-lauren-spierer-mystery-unraveled/
[–]satan-here-ama 1 point  
What about it seems like she should be forgotten? I didn't get that.
[–]Cpt13 1 point  
It is dismissive; it encourages the reader to think Lauren died of a drug overdose when that is pure speculation, and overlooks that not rendering aid, hiding her body are major crimes. Many think she may have been date raped or gang raped. The private investigators in this very Wikipedia account are quoted: "“Every kid’s buying pot, cocaine, drinking, pills,” he said. “I mean, it’s all over the place. So that really can’t be the motive behind it."
[–]satan-here-ama 3 points  
Except that quote dismisses the overdose theory.
[–]Cpt13 0 points  
Exactly. So why is Lauren missing? Why would anyone hide her?
[–]satan-here-ama 2 points  
No, what I'm saying is the article is balanced among the various theories. It presents all the various theories and who has commented on them. I don't think it favors one theory over another.
[–]Cpt13 1 point  
The piece has vacillated over time. There had been a reference to Good Samaritan laws and that had there been one, Lauren likely would not be dead or disappeared--not in so many words, but the inference was there, seeming to me at least, to dismiss loss of life and hiding of a body.
[–]satan-here-ama 1 point  
Yeah...with wikipedia's neutrality rules, it can't really take a stance on things. It has to just cover what various people have said on the issue and just sort of leave it open to interpretation.
[–]Cpt13 1 point  
[–]savage-detective 7 points  
Has anyone on here heard of Israel Keyes. I lived in a different college town, Burlington, VT, at the time of Ms. Spierer's disappearance. And just a couple of days after she vanished, there was an adult couple from just outside Burlington who vanished. To make a ling, sad and scary story short; two years later a man from Alaska named Israel Keyes confessed and corroborated unknown details about the case. It turned out he had plastic buckets filled with weapons and supplies buried all over the country. The FBI believes he is responsible for at least 11 homicides (8 of which remain unknown).
Now, the FBI released a timeline of his known whereabouts (he travelled) extensively) and it turns out that he was recorded in a rental car on "an Indiana toll road" making "multiple transactions" on June 3rd, 2011, the day Ms. Spierer disappeared.
[–]_Anon_E_Moose 1 point  
The only toll road in Indiana is near Chicago. Bloomington is hours from there.
[–]gigglesmcbug 4 points  
I think she died of an accidental overdose and her friends hid the body themselves because they had been supplying her with drugs and/or alcohol.
[–]TrendingLikeMyDaddy 3 points  
[–]ShatnerNiggerFaggot 2 points  
Lauren Spierer was a tiny 4'11", 85 pound person.
After she expired of an overdose, Jay Rosenbaum suddenly--like that day--packed up his SUV and high-tailed it back to Southeast Michigan--specifically, Oakland County, Michigan.
Oakland County has many small bodies of water into which a body could be dumped and never found.
Chances Lauren Spierer's corpse was among the items Jay Rosenbaum packed up and transported back to Michigan the day she disappeared?
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 1 point  
Do we have proof of this? I had wondered if any of them were spotted leaving the area
[–]ShatnerNiggerFaggot 6 points  
That Jay Rosenbaum packed up his SUV and drove back to Michigan that day was part of the original reports. Exactly what all he hauled back to Michigan and where that cargo ended up is speculation.
Used to think all 3 main suspects (Jay Rosenbaum, Cory and Mike Beth) + some of their friends knew what transpired. I now think maybe only Jay and perhaps Mike Beth knew/know.
It's entirely possible and doable that Jay packed up tiny Lauren on his own, drove her back to Michigan and dumped her in one of the many lakes around where he grew up in Oakland County--without cluing anyone else in on what exactly happened.
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 1 point  
Thanks.
I doubt that many people know. It's tough to keep a secret between a lot of people. Someone at some point is going to tell a girlfriend or something. I suspect the number of people who know what happened is on the low end. (off topic, but that's what causes me to have doubts about the Holly Bobo case--the number of people allegedly involved in her murder. There's no way ALL of those people knew and didn't report it. Anyhoo...)
Honestly, from what is described Cory Rossman may not know what happened either, even though he was with her. It sounds like he was pretty intoxicated and took a good blow to the head. His claims of memory loss...yeah, it's suspicious timing, but it's also not unheard of to lose memory after something like that. They may have put her on the couch to sleep it off and woke up the next morning to find her dead.
[–]ShatnerNiggerFaggot 1 point  
I thought Jay Rosenbaum contacted a criminal atty in Chicago who then arranged local legal counsel in Bloomington for Rossman, Beth, and ???.
Rosenbaum and his family are no strangers to criminal proceedings. I'd guess he may have let Mike Beth in on it cuz he had to? Or maybe not.
Given the circumstances and Jay's experience and available resources (family, atty's) in such situations, he may not have (fully) clued Mike Beth in on what transpired.
But I'd say the most likely scenario is Jay Rosenbaum driving Lauren back to his home in Michigan and dumping her in one of the small bodies of water in that area.
It's possible her bones show up and they are able to DNA test determine who she is. If they do find her remains up in Michigan, Rosenbaum's on the hook.
[–]Totally_a_scientist[S] 2 points  
Why do you say Rosenbaum and his family are no strangers to criminal proceedings?
[–]CRWHITLOCK 1 point  
I have read hours and hours, every report I could find about this case. Initially I thought it was going to be pretty straight forward, she died or was killed by one of a couple of the boys late that night and they disposed of her to cover it up in a panic. The more and more I researched though, I couldn't imagine these college kids being able to beat the police, the FBI, the marshalls, and her parents who have been on the warpath for years with a lot of money behind them. You would think these kids would crack or would have slipped up. The random stranger theory started to pop up more and more to me. But I have to say if any of them did this is was absolutely Jay Rosenbaum likely with his longtime best friend David Bleznak who was visiting for the weekend and staying with Rosenbaum. This is who I believe to know what happened and where the body is. Rosenbaum immediately hired Indianapolis superstar attorney who also represented Mike Tyson on the rape charges. Jay was later sued by Lauren's parent's for leading to her death but the case was without evidence and thrown out. Anyone with knowledge of Rosenbaum's family history or his personal history please share. I am shocked the FBI was not all over him frankly but it seemed he knew to lawyer up and run home to the fortress immediately following the incident.
[–]CRWHITLOCK 2 points  
It looks like the break in the case that everyone has been waiting for for almost 5 years has finally come. Unfortunately it has come at the expense of another young IU students life. Hannah Wilson was abducted from the IU campus early Friday morning on April, 24 2015 and her body was found near Lake Lemon in Brown county sometime later that day. Police have arrested 49 year old Bloomington resident Daniel Messel and charged him with the murder. Messel has a long criminal history of violent crimes against women and has served time in prison. The similarities in the cases of Lauren Spierer and Hannah Wilson are striking. In fact the similarities in all 4 cases are quite stunning. 4 young women, 3 of them IU students, have been abducted and killed between 2000 and 2015. IU student Jill Behrman was the first, disappearing on May 31st, 2000. Her remains were found in a rural wooded area of Morgan county by a hunter in 2003. John Meyers was convicted of the murder in 2006 but his conviction has been highly criticized as there was virtually no evidence linking him to the crime and a myriad of problems with him being the killer. His case is still very active as a group of attorneys are appealing his conviction. Bottom line is many people with great knowledge of the case and credentials to justify their opinion do not believe John Meyers murdered Jill Behrman. And anyone who does a small amount of research into the case will see that this was by no means and open and shut case and there is at least a good possibility that the perpetrator of this crime has never been caught. On September 19th 29 year old Bloomington woman Crystal Grubb disappeared. Her body was found in a cornfield on October 1st by a farmer on his combine. No one was ever charged with the murder. On June 3, 2011 Lauren Spierer disappeared from the IU campus while walking home to her apartment late at night. Her remains have yet to be found and no one has been charged in her abduction and all but certain death. Then this weekend IU senior Hannah Wilson was abducted from the IU campus and her body was discovered the following day near Lake Monroe in Brown County in a rural area. Police are keeping extremely tight lipped about the arrest of 49 year old Daniel Messel. Messel is a long time resident of Bloomington and has a rap sheet of violent crimes going back over 20 years. The question on everyone's mind is are these cases connected, specifically Lauren Spierer's disappearance and the abduction and murder of Hannah Wilson. Police are surely thinking the same thing and are undoubtably working to connect the crimes and in the process find Lauren Spierer's remains and likely reveal the existence of a long time serial killer residing in Bloomington. There is a good chance the reason law enforcement isn't releasing any details at this time is due to the fact they are now working on much more than just the murder of Hannah Wilson. I suspect we will see an FBI presence in Bloomington in the coming days if they aren't there already. I also suspect we will see Lauren Spierer's parents arriving in Bloomington in the coming days. It is very likely the Lauren Spierer case is about to be blown wide open again with a renewed search for her remains or potentially a discovery. Using Occam's razor I find it highly unlikely that the abductions and murder of Lauren Spierer and Hannah Wilson are not connected. Hopefully the arrest of Daniel Messel will finally end the string of families ripped apart by the murder of their daughters in Bloomington Indiana. Messel's arrest came so quickly following the discovery of Hannah Wilson's body it begs the question if law enforcement wasn't already aware of and suspicious of Mr Messel in the disappearance of Lauren Spierer. I hope that isn't the case as it would bring a hurricane of venom criticizing and blaming law enforcement for the death of Hannah Wilson by not moving on Messel sooner. If there is anything to this theory police could have been watching Messel from a distance hoping he might lead them to Spierer's remains. It is also possible he was questioned in the dissaperance of Lauren Spierer and police never publicly named him as a suspect. Keep in mind police are under no obligation to share any information about an ongoing case with the public. Messel could have been a suspect in Spiere's case all along. Time will reveal much more about this situation and hopefully some resolution for families will come along with it.
Federal judge dismisses Lauren Spierer lawsuit www.indystar.com/...lauren-spierer.../16526073/ The Indianapolis StarOct 1, 2014 - A federal judge has decided to dismiss the civil negligence lawsuit filed by missing Indiana University student Lauren Spierer's parents against ...
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