tags: suicide mission, kamikaze, hired driver/pilot suspect, terrorism immediately ruled out by media, pilot locked out, controlled flight into crash, deliberate accident, Air Travel , ISIS, likely terrorism
150 killed March 24, 2015 Germanwings Flight 9525 Crash Lufthansa-owned Germanwings Airbus A320-200 jetliner crashed in the French Alps. All 144 passengers and six crew members were killed. The pilots did not respond to question from air traffic control, and did not transmit any distress call. Authorities have determined that one of the pilots was locked out, and the co pilot evidently wanted to destroy the plane. This is similar to one of the theories that the crash of SilkAir Flight 185 was caused when one of the pilots locked the other out and flew the plane into the ground to commit murder–suicide.
*Timeline
March 26
abcnews: German Security Official: No indications Germanwings co-pilot had any terrorist background. Newsmax France: Prosecutor: Robin said there were no grounds to suspect that Lubitz was carrying out a terrorist attack. "Suicide" was also the wrong word to describe actions which killed so many other people, the prosecutor added: "I don't necessarily call it suicide when you have responsibility for 100 or so lives."
March 25, 2015 foxnews U.S. officials said there were no initial indications terrorism was involved."There is no indication of a nexus to terrorism at this time,” said Bernadette Meehan, spokeswoman for the National Security Council.
March 24
Were Terrorists Behind Germanwings Flight 9525 Crash? White House Says ‘No,’ But French PM Says No Explanation Excluded
*Suicide theory
One of the pilots was locked out and knocking on the door. This is the same situation a SilkAir when the co-pilot was locked out and the pilot headed the nose to the ground and put the engines in full throttle. I called this 3/25/2015 at noon. No one else suspected even the possibility.
Similar pilot suicide cases:
- Germanwings Flight 9525 One pilot suspected of locking other pilot out before an unexplained crash into a mountain
- EgyptAir Flight 990 – suspected pilot suicide
- Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 - "rogue pilot" theory is that pilot deliberately flew off course
- LAM Mozambique Airlines Flight 470 – murder–suicide
- Royal Air Maroc Flight 630 – murder-suicide
- Japan Airlines Flight 350 – attempted murder-suicide, 24 fatalities
- Federal Express Flight 705 - attempted murder-suicide
- Pacific Southwest Airlines Flight 1771 - murder-suicide by passenger
- SilkAir Flight 185 pilot flies 737 into the ground
- Pam Geller: Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz praised on Facebook: ‘Our holy martyr Lubitz died for our prophet’
- To Explain Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight, 'Rogue Pilot Theory Most LikelyMar 5, 2015
- Officials have said that while they have not ruled out terrorism, it seems unlikely CNN
- Malysian Insider: The theory of a terrorist attack is "not the theory we're focusing on," Cazeneuve said. Nevertheless, the minister added cautiously that "all theories must be carefully examined until we have the results of the enquiry".
- Terrorism ruled out as cause of French plane crash | www.3news.co.nz Frances interior minister has apparently ruled out a terrorist attack as the cause of the Germanwings air crash in the French Alps
- Conspiracy theory: PILOT DELIBERATELY CRASHES GERMANWINGS FLIGHT 4U 9525/AIRBUS A320 INTO MOUNTAIN - ALL SOULS PERISH The authorities refuse to release the name of the pilot and co-pilot. The pilot had over ten years of flying experience.Radio Silence: “Air-traffic control made multiple attempts and there was always no response,” Couple of things: Either the Germanwings pilot is radicalized and committed Jihad Suicide by crashing the plane into the Mountain. Or the pilot was under the influence of the demons Names of 150 dead have been made public expect for the name of the Captain or Pilot of Flight 4U 9525.
- gatesofvienna Given the multiple terror threats issued recently by Al Qaeda and the Islamic State, whenever a major jetliner crashes one immediately suspects that jihad may be involved. And, given the Western political propensity to deny and cover up any planned Islamic terror attack, one suspects that the evidence of jihad will emerge slowly, if ever... fact that it began a controlled descent at full speed without making radio contact with air traffic controllers is peculiar, to say the least. A320 pilots association is saying crash was most likely caused by, quote, ‘pilot incapacitation’!the aircraft did not initiate the Mayday call; they (ATC) did because they had lost touch with it (quote). No doubt they were watching its speed/altitude graph, calculating its “steep, controlled” rate of descent and failure to turn away towards the nearest airfield: the cause was almost certainly ‘pilot incapacitation’, and the presence of at least two Turks on the passenger list, the most pressing explanation is the one I suspect we will hear last from the Islamophiles that rule us.
- Pilot suicide? israelmatzav Egypt Air 990, Malaysia Air 370 and... Germanwings 9525? Am I the only one with the sickening feeling that the unexplained loss of Germanwings 9525 may be yet another pilot suicide? (I know I'm not because someone already emailed me with the same suspicion). The crew of the Germanwings flight did not send a distress signal, civil aviation authorities told AFP. “The crew did not send a Mayday. It was air traffic control that decided to declare the plane was in distress because there was no contact with the crew of the plane,” the source said. Oh my... Two Iranians on Germanwings 9525 (this site)
- RT there was “no explanation for the plane's descent toward the mountains.” comment:
- A.Smith "It started descending very rapidly and very quickly in a short amount of time which could be indicative of a pressurization problem or a complete loss of pressurization in which case the pilots would attempt to get the plane down to a breathable altitude as soon as possible." and this is being echoed by all Zionist media-outlets also.... they would have probably simply thought they were simply descending into a airport, not diving into the ground which the Zionist media outlets are spewing.
*Reference
*Conspiracy theories
*Terrorism
- Jim Stone remote control
- Sorche Faal March 25, 2015 US Laser Test Destroys Germanwings Airliner Killing 150 Innocent Civilians By: Sorcha Faal, The Ministry of Defense (MoD) is reporting today that dispatches from the Northern Fleet (NF) appear to show that yesterdays downing of Germanwings Flight 4U 9525 in southern France yesterday was the “direct result” of a failed US Air Force test of its High Energy Liquid Laser Area Defense System (HELLADS) attempting to shoot down an ICBM reentry vehicle, but which, instead, destroyed this civilian airliner killing all 150 aboard. Sorcha Faal - RationalWiki Sorcha Faal is the alleged author of an ongoing series of "reports" published at WhatDoesItMean.com Sorcha Faal reports sometimes appear on anti-semitic pro-Russian/Iranian conspiracy forums such as Above Top Secret and Godlike Productions, often after being republished by other websites (such as the European Union Times).
- European Knights Project Extreme anti-semitic right: He was jewish
- osnetdaily: (pro-Russian) It was to force Germany to admit Ukraine into EU. The German existential interest is NOT to annoy Russia with a brutal and wild NATO expansion in to the Russian immediate periphery.
*Terrorism
- Co-pilot in Germanwings crash was not on terror watch listUSA TODAY - 13 mins ago
- Germanwings crash: 'co-pilot's actions leave us speechless,' says airline – live updatesThe Guardian - 7 mins ago
Co-pilot in Germanwings crash was not on terror watch list
www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/.../70476460/13 mins ago - A French prosecutor said the co-pilot of the Germanwings airliner who intentionally crashed the jet into the Alps Tuesday was a German ...
USA TodayWhite House: Germanwings crash doesn't appear to be ...
news.yahoo.com/germanwings-crash-doesnt-appear-terror-...2 days ago - From Yahoo News: The crash of a Germanwings Airbus plane in a ... White House: Germanwings crash doesn't appear to be terror attack.
Yahoo! NewsWere Terrorists Behind Germanwings Flight 9525 Crash ...
www.ibtimes.com/were-terrorists-behind-ger...2 days ago - "There is no indication of a nexus to terrorism at this time,” Bernadette ... 2015, near the site where a Germanwings Airbus A320 crashed in the ...
International Business TimesWho Was First To Speculate About Terrorism In ...
thedailybanter.com/.../who-was-first-to-speculate-about-terrorism-in-ger...2 days ago - On Tuesday morning, Germanwings Airlines flight 4U 9525 crashed in the French Alps, likely killing all 150 or so passengers and crew.
White House: Germanwings crash doesn't appear ... - Reuters
www.reuters.com/.../us-france-crash-usa-idUSKBN0MK2202015...White House: Germanwings crash doesn't appear to be terror attack. WASHINGTON Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:58pm EDT ...
ReutersGermanwings Airbus A320 plane crash: Pilot made no ...
www.mirror.co.uk › ... › UK News › Germanwings plane crashGermanwings Airbus A320 plane crash: Pilot made no mayday call during 8 minutes ofterror. 23:25, 25 March 2015; By Tom Parry ...
Daily MirrorGermanwings crash report: Pilot locked out of cockpit - CNN ...
www.cnn.com/2015/03/25/europe/germanwings-crash-main/10 hours ago - One of the pilots on Germanwings Flight 9525 was locked out of the ... Officials previously said that hadn't ruled out terrorism, but it seems unlikely.
CNN
Terror? ISIS and Germanwings A320 crash: Chatter on Twitter connects them
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Today's Gernmanwings plane crash killed 150 innocent people from Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, Turkey, and Israel among others. Flying from Barcelona to Duesseldorf, the aged A320 aircraft crashed for no explained reason in mid-flight. Experts are examining the black box flight recorder at this time.
Terror was ruled out by some, but called likely, by other experts. On social media, ISIS-friendly accounts have started mentioning Germanwings again and again in the last 7 hours.
eTN has followed the current chatter on Twitter and some obviously ISIS-friendly accounts. Messages may have originated in Indonesia, Pakistan, and the United States.
Germanwings was brought into the connection in promoting terror activities by the Islamic States (ISIS). This must have been known by some authorities, since some Twitter accounts had been deleted today, but chatter is increasing and ongoing.
Here is what eTN was able to find among other messages:
Germanwings: we’re winning ,you’re loosing
If Obama has promised you with defeating the Islamic State, then Bush has also lied before him.
Indeed, Our Lord, the Mighty and Majestic has promised us with victory and here we are now victorious.
He will grant us victory at every event. He is glorified and He does not fail in His promise.
Germanwings: we’re winning ,you’re loosing
Germanwings: You're stressed, you're depressed, you're disappointed: Join ISIS
*Wikipedia
Accident[edit]
Flight 9525 took off from Runway 07R at Barcelona–El Prat Airport at around 10:01 CET (09:01 UTC) and was due to arrive at Düsseldorf Airport by 11:39 CET (10:39 UTC).[1][8] The flight's scheduled departure time was at 09:35 CET (08:35 UTC).[9]
The French aviation authority Direction générale de l'aviation civile (DGAC) declared the aircraft in distress after the aircraft's descent and loss of radio contact.[11][12] The aircraft reached a cruising speed of 430 kn (800 km/h; 490 mph) and an altitude of flight level 380 (approx. 38,000 ft [12,000 m]) at 10:27 CET. Three minutes later, the aircraft speed increased reaching 515 kn (954 km/h; 593 mph) after 20 seconds. According to theBEA, at 10:30 CET, pilots confirmed instructions from French air traffic control. At 10:31.02 CET, aircraft left its assigned cruising altitude without approval and began to descend. Radar observed an average descent rate of approximately 17.8 metres per second (3,500 feet per minute). Attempts by French air traffic control to contact the flight on the assigned radio frequency radio link were not answered.[13] At 10:31 CET, the aircraft crossed the French coast near Toulon, making a slight course correction and immediately began a [controlled ] steep straight-line descent until it crashed. The reason behind the descent is currently unknown.[pilots did not announce intentions] The aircraft speed decreased slightly during the descent reducing from 480 to 428 kn (889 to 793 km/h; 552 to 493 mph). The aircraft crashed within the territory of the remote commune of Prads-Haute-Bléone,[not in citation given] about 100 kilometres (62 mi) north-west of Nice.[14][15][16] Radar contact was lost at 10:40.47 CET; at the time, the aircraft was flying at an altitude of 6,175 ft (1,882 m).[17]Flightradar24 recorded last known position at 10:41 [18]
The crash is the deadliest air disaster in France since the crash of Inex-Adria Aviopromet Flight 1308 in 1981, in which 180 people died.[19]This was also the first major crash of a civil airliner in France since the Air France Flight 4590 Concorde crash near Paris in 2000.[20]
Germanwings Flight 9525
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
D-AIPX, the aircraft involved in the incident, pictured in May 2014 | |
Accident summary | |
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Date | 24 March 2015 |
Summary | Under investigation |
Site | Prads-Haute-Bléone, Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, France 44.2814°N 6.4398°ECoordinates: 44.2814°N 6.4398°E[1] |
Passengers | 144[2] |
Crew | 6[2][3] |
Fatalities | 150 (all)[4] |
Survivors | 0 |
Aircraft type | Airbus A320-200 |
Operator | Germanwings |
Registration | D-AIPX |
Flight origin | Barcelona–El Prat Airport,Spain |
Destination | Düsseldorf Airport, Germany |
Germanwings Flight 9525 (4U9525/GWI9525)[a] was a scheduled international passenger flight, flying from Barcelona, Spain, to Düsseldorf, Germany, operated by the Lufthansa-owned low-cost airlineGermanwings. On 24 March 2015, the Airbus A320-200 jetliner crashed 100 kilometres (62 mi) northwest of Nice, in the French Alps. All 144 passengers and six crew members were killed. The pilots did not respond to question from air traffic control, and did not transmit any distress call. Authorities have not determined why the plane deviated from planned descent. Recovered audio indicates that one of the pilots was locked out, similar to one of the theories that the crash of SilkAir Flight 185 was caused when one of the pilots locked the other out and flew the plane into the ground.
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[hide]Crash[edit]
Flight 9525 took off from Runway 07R at Barcelona–El Prat Airport at 10:01:12 CET (09:01.12 UTC) and was due to arrive at Düsseldorf Airport by 11:39 CET (10:39 UTC).[2][5] The flight's scheduled departure time was 09:35 CET (08:35 UTC).[6]
The French aviation authority Direction générale de l'aviation civile (DGAC) declared the aircraft in distress after the aircraft's descent and loss of radio contact.[7][8] The aircraft reached a cruising speed of 430 kn (800 km/h; 490 mph) and an altitude of flight level 380 (approx. 38,000 ft [12,000 m]) at 10:27 CET. Three minutes later, the aircraft speed increased, reaching 515 kn (954 km/h; 593 mph) after 20 seconds.[9]
According to the BEA, at 10:30 CET, pilots confirmed instructions from French air traffic control. At 10:31.02 CET, after crossing the French coast near Toulon, the aircraft made a slight course correction, left its assigned cruising altitude and without approval began a rapid straight-line descent. Radar observed an average descent rate of approximately 17.8 metres per second (3,500 feet per minute). Attempts by French air traffic control to contact the flight on the assigned radio frequency radio link were not answered.[11] A French military Mirage jet was scrambled from theOrange air base[12] to intercept the plane.[13] The reason for the descent is unknown. The aircraft speed decreased near end of descent, reducing from 480 to 378 kn (889 to 700 km/h; 552 to 435 mph).The descent from 38,000 feet over about 10 minutes was alarming but still gradual (varies 2500-5000ft/min) enough to indicate that the twin-engine Airbus A320 had not been damaged catastrophically during flight. [14] The aircraft crashed within the territory of the remote communeof Prads-Haute-Bléone, 100 kilometres (62 mi) north-west of Nice.[15][16][17][18] Radar contact was lost at 10:40.47 CET; at the time, the aircraft was flying at an altitude of 6,175 ft (1,882 m).[19][20]
Flightradar24 recorded its last update at 09:40:36; the plane's location was 44.234 degrees North latitude, 6.407 degrees East longitude, altitude 6800 feet, ground speed 378 vertical speed -3520.[20]
The crash is the deadliest air disaster in France since the crash of Inex-Adria Aviopromet Flight 1308 in 1981, in which 180 people died.[21] This was the first major crash of a civil airliner in France since the Air France Flight 4590 Concordecrash near Paris in 2000.[22] The crash is also the first loss of a Lufthansa-owned airliner during the cruising phase of flight.[23]
Crash site[edit]
The crash site is within the Massif des Trois-Évêchés, and is close to Mount Cimet, where Air France Flight 178 crashed in 1953.[24][25]
Police and Sécurité Civile sent helicopters to locate the wreckage.[26][27] A picture from the accident site was released, with the report that the aircraft had disintegrated, the largest piece of wreckage being "the size of a car".[28]According to French Prime Minister Manuel Valls, a helicopter which landed near the site of the crash confirmed that there were no survivors.[29] Thesearch and rescue team reported that the debris field is two square kilometres (0.77 sq mi) in size.[17] The plane appears not to have deviated from its heading during the descent.[30]
The French Aviation Authority has set up temporary flight restrictions in the area surrounding the crash site.[31] The prohibited area was first set on 24 March at 11:47 GMT (12:47 CET); a circle of 3 nautical miles (5.6 km) radius centred at 44°16′50″N 6°26′25″E from FL000 up to FL140.[32] At 13:38 GMT (14:38 CET), a second larger area was added to cover a radius of 10 nautical miles (19 km; 12 mi) centred at 44°16′48″N 6°26′24″E from FL000 to FL100.[33] Entry into the airspace is forbidden, except for state flights or for rescue missions.[34] Rescue efforts were suspended overnight by the French authorities to ensure the safety of the rescuers.[35]
Aircraft[edit]
The aircraft involved was a 24-year-old Airbus A320-211,[b] serial number 147, registered as D-AIPX. It first flew on 29 November 1990,[36] and was delivered to Lufthansa on 5 February 1991. It served with Germanwings for the first time in 2003. It was returned to Lufthansa in 2004 and was re-transferred to the relaunched Germanwings on 31 January 2014.[37] The aircraft had accumulated about 58,300 flight hours on 46,700 flights.[38] The original Design Service Goal (DSG) of the aircraft was 60,000 hours or 48,000 flights. In 2012, an optional Extended Service Goal (ESG1) was approved, extending the service life to 120,000 hours or 60,000 flights, provided that a required package of service and inspections were performed before the DSG was reached.[39]
Passengers and crew[edit]
Nationality | No. |
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Germany | 72[41] |
Spain | 51[42] |
Kazakhstan | 3[43] |
United Kingdom | 3[44] |
United States | 3[45] |
Argentina | 2[46] |
Australia | 2[47] |
Colombia | 2[48] |
Iran | 2[49] |
Mexico | 2[50] |
Morocco | 2[51] |
Venezuela | 2[52] |
Belgium | 1[53] |
Chile | 1[54] |
Denmark | 1[55] |
Israel | 1[56] |
Netherlands | 1[57] |
Paraguay | 1[58] |
Poland[c] | 1[59] |
Turkey | 1[60] |
Total number of victims | 150 |
Number of victims with dual citizenships | 4 |
There were 144 passengers and six crew members on board, most of them German and Spanish nationals[40] but from at least 18 nations in total. The count may be confused due to dual citizenship.[61] Amongst them were 16 schoolchildren and two teachers from the Joseph-König-Gymnasium, Haltern am See, North Rhine-Westphalia. They were on their way home from a student exchange with the Giola Institute inLlinars del Vallès, Barcelona.[62] Haltern's mayor, Bodo Klimpel, has described it as "the darkest day in the history of our city."[63]
A Germanwings representative announced that the captain had 10 years of flying experience (6000 flight hours)[15] with Germanwings andLufthansa.[64]
The Deutsche Oper am Rhein confirmed that bass-baritone Oleg Bryzhak was among the passengers,[65] as was German contralto Maria Radner.[66] Members of the Swedish football team Dalkurd FF were booked to be on the flight but changed at the last moment.[47]
Investigation[edit]
The French national civil aviation enquiries bureau, Bureau d'Enquêtes et d'Analyses pour la Sécurité de l'Aviation Civile (BEA), has opened an investigation into the crash, joined by its German counterpart, theFederal Bureau of Aircraft Accidents Investigation (BFU). On 24 March, the BEA sent seven investigators to the crash site, accompanied by representatives from Airbus and CFM International. The BEA will hold a press conference on 25 March from 16:00 to 16:45 UTC.[67][68]
The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) was recovered by rescue workers and is being examined by the investigation team.[69][70] The recorder was damaged in the crash, but was said to be still in a "usable" condition.[30] The BEA released photos of the CVR[71] and was able to extract a voice recording.[72]
The outer casing of the missing flight data recorder was found the next day, but was severely damaged and missing its memory module.[73][74] The BEA press conference on 25 March confirmed the times, route and altitude, during the final descent of the aircraft, previously given by Flightradar24.[75][citation needed]
Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve announced that terrorism was not a likely “hypothesis at the moment”. On 25 March, the cockpit voice recording revealed that one of the pilots had been locked out of the cockpit and had been trying to break down the door. He started by knocking lightly and then, getting no response, began hitting the door harder.[76][77]
Response[edit]
The French Minister of the Interior Bernard Cazeneuve remarked that due to the "violence of the impact" there was "little hope" that any survivors would be found.[78] Prime Minister Manuel Valls said he had dispatched Interior Minister Cazeneuve to the scene and set-up a ministerial crisis cell to co-ordinate the response to the incident.[79]
King Philip VI of Spain, in Paris for a state visit to France at the time of the crash, announced his decision to cut his visit short and return to Spain.[40]
German Chancellor Angela Merkel announced that she would travel to the crash site on 25 March together with Minister-President of North Rhine-Westphalia Hannelore Kraft.[80][81] Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier flew over the crash site on 24 March, describing it as "a picture of horror".[79]
Merkel, French Prime Minister Valls, and Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy visited the recovery operations base atSeyne-les-Alpes on 25 March.[82]
Lufthansa Chief Executive Carsten Spohr visited the crash location on 25 March and afterwards said that this is "the darkest day for Lufthansa in its 60-year history".[83]
Germanwings reported occasional flight disruptions on 24–25 March within its route network due to crew members deciding not to operate aircraft following the accident. As a result some flights had to be cancelled.[84]
On 25 March, Germanwings retired the flight number 4U9525, changing it to 4U9441. The outbound flight number was also changed, from 4U9524 to 4U9440. The flight numbers for the later Düsseldorf to Barcelona flight were unchanged.[85]
See also[edit]
- Accidents and incidents involving the Airbus A320 family
- List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by location § France
Notes[edit]
- ^ Abbreviated forms of the flight name combine the airline's IATA airline code (4U) or ICAO airline code (GWI) with the flight number.
- ^ The aircraft was an Airbus A320-200 model; the 11 specifies it was fitted with CFM International CFM56-5A1 engines.
- ^ An infant with multiple citizenships, not traveling on the Polish passport.
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accident speculation from talk:
"The Airbus A320 was the first commercial aircraft to incorporate full flight-envelope protection into its flight-control software."
"The Airbus A320 was the first commercial aircraft to incorporate full flight-envelope protection into its flight-control software."
What is max cruising speed of A320-200 plane?
"A320-200 - Max cruising speed 903km/h (487kt) at 28,000ft, economical cruising speed 840km/h (454kt) at 37,000ft."
How Flight Envelope Protection and Max cruising speed is related to GWI 9525?
To understand answer, first you must see this:
What is FLlGHT ENVELOPE PROTECTION?
Now to begin with detailed explanation.
As clearly shown by the data after 05h28 EDT the flight 9525 start "OVERSPEED" economical cruising speed from 840km/h(454 kt). And after 2 minute 05h30 EDT the plane start abruptly DESCENT with CHANGE OF COURSE DIRECTION too - probably with IDLE ENGINES. From data between 05h30 to 05h34 is visible that DESCENT RATE is very unstable (-316,-1455,-3200,-3455,-2636,-3877,-4036). This is typical behavior of plane controlled by the HUMAN without assistant of flight computer.
In 05h35 EDT the plane reach MAX CRUISING SPEED of 903 km/h(487kt). What happen when plane is with nose down, and it reach 903 km/h?
FLlGHT ENVELOPE PROTECTION "ask" FLIGHT COMPUTER to catch CONTROL of the PLANE ignoring signals from the pilot. Flight computer trying to reduce the speed of the plane, first by reducing engine power but in this case ENGINES are in IDLE MODE and the only thing the system can be done to reduce speed is to RAISE THE NOSE of the plane. But since this is a dangerous maneuver at high speed FEP will do it GENTLY (-3818, -3750,-3273, -3242,-3188) as data shown.
The truth is that A320-200 are very unpleasant plane for SUICIDE. This is what will happen if the PILOT TRY TO SUICIDE.
Another explanation is what will happen if HIJACKER take control of the plane. Usually he will not be pilot, but self-educated man using FSX simulator. Problem with this type of "pilots" is that when they go in REAL PILOT SEAT they totally confused. Usually will trying to not put plane in STALL and for this reason will put nose in horizontal mode. But in this situation to maintain CONSTANT ALTITUDE you must do some fine adjustments. IF you do not do these adjustments plane will FALL exactly with about -4000ft/min. He just could not control the aircraft properly to the time in which the computer is completely took control over it.
-2000 ft/min is GLIDING SPEED for A320 with TWO ENGINE FAILURE without losing SPEED!
By the way - this mean. 38000-6800=31200 ft. 31200/2000=15.6 MINUTES. Lufthansa pilot will not make this 15.6 minutes to only 7.
P.s. As no one media connect fact that LUFTHANS STRIKE ended two days before crash and this may be reason for SUICIDE BEHAVIOR of the MAIN PILOT. As I said, usually pilots(one after other) go to the toilet in exact time from the flight 2-3 minute after reaching of cruise altitude. Suitable time for SUICIDE or HIJACKING OF PLANE - when CABIN DOOR OPEN OR CLOSE FROM INSIDE.
P.p.s. Do you see that they don't mention lot about the FACT that plane CHANGE OF COURSE DIRECTION from 43 Nort-east to 26 Nort-east exactly in moment when it start DESCENT - directing aircraft to the mountains not just trying to avoided them as must do in such situation!Enchev EG (talk) 10:22, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Your evidence for this is? See WP:REDFLAG. Mjroots (talk) 10:28, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Blah blah blah. Oscar-HaP (talk) 10:30, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- So you in fact mean: IT WAS SUICIDE OR HIJACKING BECAUSE PILOTS BOTH WENT TO THE TOILET BECAUSE OF AN AIRLINE STRIKE! Great. Am intrigued as to where this flight data came from, when the FDR has yet to be found. If a source other than self-published Facebook can't be provided, quite soon, I suggest this entire thread is removed. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:39, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- http://fr.flightaware.com/live/flight/GWI9525/history/20150324/0835Z/LEBL/EDDL/tracklog
- "Suitable time for SUICIDE or HIJACKING OF PLANE - when CABIN DOOR OPEN OR CLOSE FROM INSIDE." This mean ONE pilot stay ALONE in CABIN and can make attempt for SUICIDE when other is go to toilet.
- Ok, live this section only 2 days - and we talk after that. Main pilot is suicideR if ask for it.Enchev EG(talk) 10:47, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- It should be noted that this is the same user who last month received a one-week block byMilborneOne for WP:FORUM and WP:NOTHERE at Talk:TransAsia Airways Flight 235. Lesson not learned, apparently. ―Mandruss ☎ 19:51, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Ok, live this section only 2 days - and we talk after that. Main pilot is suicideR if ask for it.Enchev EG(talk) 10:47, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- "Suitable time for SUICIDE or HIJACKING OF PLANE - when CABIN DOOR OPEN OR CLOSE FROM INSIDE." This mean ONE pilot stay ALONE in CABIN and can make attempt for SUICIDE when other is go to toilet.
- http://fr.flightaware.com/live/flight/GWI9525/history/20150324/0835Z/LEBL/EDDL/tracklog
*sources
3/27/2015
Theory - aiming for nuclear plant, or dry run?
http://romancatholicimperialist.blogspot.com/2015/03/aiming-for-nuclear-facilities-was.htmlgerman conspiracy theory site:
The co-pilot of the Germanwings Airbus was a convert to Islam
According to Michael Mannheimer, a writer for German PI-News, Germany now has its own 9/11, thanks to the convert to Islam, Andreas Lubitz.
Translation from German:
All evidence indicates that the copilot of Airbus machine in his six-months break during his training as a pilot in Germanwings, converted to Islam and subsequently either by the order of "radical", ie. devout Muslims , or received the order from the book of terror, the Quran, on his own accord decided to carry out this mass murder. As a radical mosque in Bremen is in the center of the investigation, in which the convert was staying often, it can be assumed that he - as Mohammed Atta, in the attack against New York - received his instructions directly from the immediate vicinity of the mosque.
Michael Mannheimer, 26.3.2015
Just rumours, theories, and muslim fans
Germanwings Murder-Crash: Despite Alarming Reports, No Proof (Yet) Co-Pilot Andreas Lubitz Converted To Islam March 27, 2015 I’m usually an eager relayer of well-founded theories and clues which help get the truth out when politically-correct authorities try to hide or minimize the Islamic identity of jihad attackers, but in the case of Andreas Lubitz I must firmly state that so far (as of 3:00 am EST, U.S.), people are posting only completely unsubstantiated, non-credible reports that he was a convert to Islam.I believe it’s possible that Lubitz was a Muslim convert, but so far nothing credible has been made public to support that angle.
Certain internet posts in particular have gone viral, stating as if it’s fact that Lubitz converted to Islam. One of them, an article from a highly dubious German “news” website, has been translated into English and spread by The Gateway Pundit blog. The article’s headline bluntly states: The co-pilot of the Germanwings Airbus was a convert to Islam. In it, the writer says “All evidence indicates” that Lubitz’ conversion to Islam took place during his unexpected 6-month hiatus from pilot training (reported elsewhere as due to depression and “burnout”), and that he “was staying often” at a radical mosque in Bremen, Germany, where his flight school was located.
Breman is the home of Masjidu-1-Furqan Mosque which was raided by the police in December, 2014. That was only 3 months and 20 days ago. It was raided because it was more of a Salafist mosque, and the Germans accused them of promoting ISIS values and encouraging young Muslims in the city to travel to Syria and Iraq and join the ranks of the group along with Al-Nusra Front.
Now, the thought is that since no one seemed to know of Andreas's religion or if he had any, and it could have been Catholic being Germany has long been a Catholic country, somehow during his training stint in Breman, Andreas might have come in contact with friendly Muslims and had converted. So far the mosque had been successful in inspiring 8 men, 7 women and 11 juveniles to travel to Syria and join IS. Was Andreas doing his bit this way? This would have been mass murder by suicide.
It has been said that Lubitz had a Muslim girlfriend. It's very possible he met her at a mosque.
Resource: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/germany-police-close-mosque-for-spreading-islamic-state-ideology
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3012053/Andreas-Lubitz-Germanwings-flight-9525-French-alps-crash-French-alps-Germanwings-plane-crash-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette.html
http://pamelageller.com/2015/03/germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-praised-on-facebook-our-holy-martyr-lubitz-died-for-our-prophet.html/ EXCELLENT COVERAGE, PICTURES
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs_in_Germany
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/26/us-france-crash-idUSKBN0MK2U020150326
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.648542
CNN
http://www.hngn.com/articles/44263/20140930/german-alcoholics-drug-addicts-being-paid-beer-cigarettes-clean-streets.htm
http://news.yahoo.com/german-security-official-no-indications-germanwings-co-pilot-125040126.html
http://www.timesofisrael.com/family-of-israeli-plane-crash-victim-grieves-awaits-news/
http://abcnews.go.com/International/germanwings-crash-pilot-received-training-arizona/story?id=29923493
One thing is for certain, a suicide is NOT the crashing of an airliner into the ground with hundreds of lives on board, that is mass murder/terrorism.the more we learn about the co pilot, the clearer it is becoming to look like Islamic terrorism. However, the politically correct news wont say that, but I will. Muslims are already coming out to praise the jihad:From RCI: It was said that Lubitz had a Muslim girlfriend. It is unclear if she was still dating Lubitz at the time of the crash. It is unclear if he met the woman through his Muslims friends
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2015/03/reports-say-germanwings-co-pilot-recent.html
From Israel Matzav:
Many in the politically correct media are becoming annoyed with questions regarding the religious beliefs of Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Gunter Lubi
his morning suggested the pilot may have been badly affected by a “relationship crisis” and was struggling to cope following a break-up with his girlfriend - who he was due to marry next year. He is said to have shared an apartment in Dusseldorf - the destination of the doomed plane - with a woman whose surname is Goldbach.[not arabic]
A [conspiracy theory ]website, Roman Catholic Imperialist.blogspot.com, claimed he was a convert who committed jihad. The evidence was this:
It was said that Lubitz had a Muslim girlfriend. It is unclear if she was still dating Lubitz at the time of the crash. It is unclear if he met the woman through his Muslims friends.
article does not include links but it appears to have come from a website, michael-mannheiimer.net. The stories are almost identical. It’s hard to read the Mannheimer site because it’s getting such heavy traffic. Mannheimer is a writer for German-PI (Politically Incorrect) which is a right-wing blog.
Spiesa.com posted part of the story by Mannheimer and included a link to his website [On Facebook, they describe themselves as: Your daily dose of news, amazing, fantastic, strange, funny, or sad, because you are just like us.]. This is what they posted after translation:
According to Michael Mannheimer, a writer for German PI-News, Germany now has its own 9/11, thanks to the convert to Islam, Andreas Lubitz.
articles by writer Mannheimer at The Gates of Vienna. are very right-wing and anti-Muslim.
So far, however, the only facts we have point to him being a homicidal maniac with a history of depression who was upset over his breakup with his girlfriend or he was sick
French authorities are refusing to discuss Lubitz's religion, Christian websites are reporting that Lubitz was a recent convert to Islam.
It was said that Lubitz had a Muslim girlfriend. It is unclear if she was still dating Lubitz at the time of the crash. It is unclear if he met the woman through his Muslims friends.
One said that Lubitz had broken off the relationship after he pledged to commit Jihad for Allah.
We do know that Lubitz trained at the Lufthansa Flight Training School in Bremen, Germany.
Bremen is home to the Mosque Masjidu-l-Furqan Mosque:
This Mosque was raided by the police in December 2014
BERLIN, Dec 5 (KUNA) — German authorities have closed a mosque in the northern city of Bremen, after it was accused of encouraging youth to join the extremist Islamic State group (known as ISIL), which is carrying out violent killings across Syria and Iraq.Lubitz did his time in Bremen when the Mosque was under surveillance.
In unprecedented circumstances, more than 100 German police personnel carried out a search of Masjidu-l-Furqan and its accompanying cultural office, which had both been under police radar since 2007.
The decision comes amid the fight against ISIL ideology, Bremen Interior Secretary Ulrich Maurer said, accusing the mosque’s management of promoting ISIL values and encouraging young Muslims in the city to travel to Syria and Iraq, and join the ranks of the group, along with Al-Nusra Front – another extremist group in Syria.
The centre have so far succeeded in inspiring a total eight men, seven women and 11 juveniles to travel to Syria and join ISIL, according to the official.
gateway pundit:
GERMAN NEWS REPORT: Co-Pilot of Germanwings Airbus Was MUSLIM CONVERT …’Hero of Islamic State’?
Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, March 26, 2015, 9:48 PM
GERMAN REPORT —HE WAS RADICALIZED!
GERMAN CO-PILOT WAS MUSLIM CONVERT–
— STAYED AT Bremen Mosque
Police have reportedly found an “item of significance” at the apartment of the co-pilot who crashed the Germanwing passenger plane into the Alps this week.
The item was NOT a suicide note.
28-year-old German Andreas Lubitz trained in the Phoenix, Arizona and is pictured here in San Francisco.
A German news website claims Andreas Lubitz was a Muslim convert.The item was NOT a suicide note.
28-year-old German Andreas Lubitz trained in the Phoenix, Arizona and is pictured here in San Francisco.
Speisa.com reported:
According to Michael Mannheimer, a writer for German PI-News, Germany now has its own 9/11, thanks to the convert to Islam, Andreas Lubitz.Translation from German:All evidence indicates that the copilot of Airbus machine in his six-months break during his training as a pilot in Germanwings, converted to Islam and subsequently either by the order of “radical”, ie. devout Muslims , or received the order from the book of terror, the Quran, on his own accord decided to carry out this mass murder. As a radical mosque in Bremen is in the center of the investigation, in which the convert was staying often, it can be assumed that he – as Mohammed Atta, in the attack against New York – received his instructions directly from the immediate vicinity of the mosque.Converts are the most important weapon of Islam. Because their resume do not suggests that they often are particularly violent Muslims. Thus Germany now has its own 9/11, but in a reduced form. And so it is clear that Islam is a terrorist organization that are in accordance with §129a of the Criminal Code to prohibit it and to investigate its followers. But nothing will happen. One can bet that the apologists (media, politics, “Islamic Scholars”) will agree to assign this an act of a “mentally unstable” man, and you can bet that now, once again the mantra of how supposedly peaceful Islam is will continue. And worse still, the attacks by the left against those who have always warned against Islam, will be angrier and merciless.For now the German Islam supporters like never before have their backs against the wall.Michael Mannheimer, 26.3.2015
Apparently from the comments at German PI – Andreas Lubitz was Muslim convert from his Facebook page.
ISLAMIC STATE PRAISES GERMAN CO-PILOT AND MASS MURDERER–
Another Facebook page was set up=> Support for Andrew Lubitz, hero of the Islamic State.
(The Facebook page has since been taken down)
Another Facebook page was set up=> Support for Andrew Lubitz, hero of the Islamic State.
(The Facebook page has since been taken down)
A close friend of Andreas Lubitz says he was mentally unstable.
RCI roman catholic imperialist cited by several bloggers:
It was said that Lubitz had a Muslim girlfriend. It is unclear if she was still dating Lubitz at the time of the crash. It is unclear if he met the woman through his Muslims friends.
One said that Lubitz had broken off the relationship after he pledged to commit Jihad for Allah.
We do know that Lubitz trained at the Lufthansa Flight Training School in Bremen, Germany.
Bremen is home to the Mosque Masjidu-l-Furqan Mosque:
One said that Lubitz had broken off the relationship after he pledged to commit Jihad for Allah.
We do know that Lubitz trained at the Lufthansa Flight Training School in Bremen, Germany.
Bremen is home to the Mosque Masjidu-l-Furqan Mosque:
This Mosque was raided by the police in December 2014
BERLIN, Dec 5 (KUNA) — German authorities have closed a mosque in the northern city of Bremen, after it was accused of encouraging youth to join the extremist Islamic State group (known as ISIL), which is carrying out violent killings across Syria and Iraq.
In unprecedented circumstances, more than 100 German police personnel carried out a search of Masjidu-l-Furqan and its accompanying cultural office, which had both been under police radar since 2007.
The decision comes amid the fight against ISIL ideology, Bremen Interior Secretary Ulrich Maurer said, accusing the mosque’s management of promoting ISIL values and encouraging young Muslims in the city to travel to Syria and Iraq, and join the ranks of the group, along with Al-Nusra Front – another extremist group in Syria.
The centre have so far succeeded in inspiring a total eight men, seven women and 11 juveniles to travel to Syria and join ISIL, according to the official.
Lubitz did his time in Bremen when the Mosque was under surveillance.
During his training Lubitz took a break - a several month break:
During his training Lubitz took a break - a several month break:
Carsten Spohr, CEO of Germanwings parent company, said in a press conference today that Lubitz "took a break in his training six years ago. Then he did the tests (technical and psychological) again. And he was deemed 100 percent fit to fly." "I am not able to state the reasons why he took the break for several months
I can because Lubitz converted to Islam during his break.
Reason that pushed Lubitz over the edge? The raid on the Mosque in Breman this past December?
The Police say they found a significant discovery in his home - not a suicide note:
Reason that pushed Lubitz over the edge? The raid on the Mosque in Breman this past December?
The Police say they found a significant discovery in his home - not a suicide note:
Police investigating the Germanwings crash said they had made a 'significant discovery' at the home of co-pilot Andreas Lubitz, who deliberately ploughed the Airbus A320 into the French Alps. Officers refused to reveal details of the potential breakthrough but said it was not a suicide note. Speaking outside the flat on the outskirts of Dusseldorf, police said they had 'found something' that would now be taken for tests, adding it may be a 'clue' as to what happened to the doomed jet. Daily Mail Read More>>>
Is the significant discovery something Islamic? Something on his computer? A Koran? A Muslim prayer rug?
3/26/2015 8:39 PST
(CNN) -
Audio from the mangled voice recorder of Germanwings Flight 9525 reveals a bizarre struggle on board: One of the pilots was locked out of the cockpit and was trying to get inside when the plane crashed, according to media reports...."You can hear he is trying to smash the door down," a senior military official involved in the investigation told The New York Times... what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door." Agence France-Presse also reported that a pilot was locked out, citing a source close to the investigation. Lufthansa, the parent company of low-cost airline Germanwings, said it was looking into the claim.
The Times' report is a "terribly shocking revelation," CNN aviation analyst Peter Goelz said. But he and other experts cautioned that it's still unclear what could have been going on inside the cockpit.
An array of theories Possibilities range from a medical emergency to something more nefarious, like a suicide mission, CNN aviation analysts said.
A320 pilot says co-pilot can be locked out of cockpit
www.afr.com/.../germanwings-plane-cra...
10 hours ago - "If the person is suicidal and did that they are probably not going to respond ... In 1997, Silkair Flight 185, a Boeing 737 en route from Jakarta to ...The Australian Financial Review
*Update* Germanwings Flight 9525 Mystery Deepens – 3 ...
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12 hours ago - More than 24 hours after the Germanwings flight crashed in the Alps, .... It was pilot suicide like the Silk Air and Egypt Air and Malaysia 370.Germanwings A320 Crashes in the Alps - AskThePilot.com
www.askthepilot.com/germanwings-crash/
20 hours ago - To me its obvious that this is a case of pilot suicide: If the pilot left in the .... Germanwings Flight 9525 turns out to be another SilkAir Flight 185, ..SOME preliminary thoughts, comments, and cautionaries on Tuesday’s crash of a Germanwings Airbus A320 in France, drawn from some of the points being made by the media:Smith, Patrick
— The descent
Reportedly the plane descended 31,000 feet in eight minutes before impacting the mountains. Some news sources are citing this as an unusually high rate. This is false. A roughly four thousand foot-per-minute descent is not particularly steep, and would imply the crew was still in control of the aircraft, and that it was not “plummeting” or “diving,” as reporters have described it, as a result of some catastrophic structural failure.
People are talking a lot about the possibility of a decompression (loss of cabin pressure), but a simple decompression by itself is not likely to be the culprit. So long as they aren’t explosive, decompressions are rarely dangerous. That’s true even when flying over mountains. Crews will pre-program so-called “escape routes” into a plane’s flight management system that will help navigate them away from high terrain in the event a rapid descent is required.
One person I spoke to raised the possibility that the crew, after initiating what was a more or less stable descent rate, became unconscious somehow as the plane descended, maybe as a result of not donning their oxygen masks quickly enough after a decompression. Pure speculation there, but it’s possible (as are a hundred other things). It’s clear that at some point the crew either lost control, became disoriented, or were incapacitated. We don’t know how.
— The missing mayday
One supposed expert on NBC voiced that it was “highly unusual” that the pilots did not send a distress call. The opposite is true. Distress calls are not sent in a majority of accidents, and communicating with air traffic control is well down the task hierarchy when dealing with an emergency. The crew’s primary concern, it should go without saying, is controlling the aircraft, followed by troubleshooting whatever problems have caused the situation. Later, if time and conditions permit, ATC can be brought into the loop. There’s an old aviation maxim that says: aviate, navigate, communicate. Communicate, you’ll notice, is number three on that list. Eight minutes might seem a long time, but who knows what level of urgency they were dealing with.
— Hack job?
This again: the theory that the plane’s “flight computer,” whatever that is, exactly, was maliciously hacked by parties unknown. People are so enamored of electronic gadgetry these days, and so vastly ill-informed as to how airplanes actually fly, and how pilots interact with all of the alleged computerization in a modern cockpit, that this bizarre theory is given undue credibility, and thrown around to help fill in the empty spaces. The media has been shamelessly gullible when it comes to this topic, and the public needs to be wary of those who’ve been interviewed or quoted. Typically they have very little knowledge about the operational realities of flying commercial planes.
— Crash cluster?
It would seem, to some, that the number of plane crashes over the past several months has skyrocketed. But although, from a safety perspective, it hasn’t been the best twelve-month stretch, you need to look at things in the larger context: The accident rate is still down, considerably, from what it was twenty or thirty years ago, when multiple large-scale accidents were the norm, year after year. What’s different is that, in years past, we didn’t have a 24/7 news cycle with media outlets spread across multiple platforms, all vying simultaneously for your attention. The media didn’t used to fixate on crashes the way it does today. These fixations tend to be short-lived, but they are intense enough to give people the impression that flying is becoming more dangerous, when in fact it has become safer.
I frequently remind people of the year 1985, when 27 serious accidents killed upwards of 2,500 people. That included two of history’s ten deadliest crashes occurring within two months of each other. Imagine the circus if such a thing happened today. The past decade has been the safest in civil aviation history, and the cluster of serious accidents over the last year, tragic as they’ve been, is unlikely to change the overall trend.
JuliaZ says:
March 26, 2015 at 8:48 am
My first thought when I read an article that mused about why no distress call had been issued was, “aviate, navigate, communicate.” Thanks for saturating my brain and teaching me something that’s actually stuck in there. :-)
My other initial reaction here was pilot suicide. Good weather/visibility, recent mechanicals, light load factor, lack of terrorist activity in France, etc., all suggest but don’t require a deliberate failure. Much will be made of the fact that the co-pilot who remained in the cabin had “only” 600 hours of flight time in that airframe, but of course, he was fully qualified to fly it. Still, I am sure that I’m not the only one that wishes that the guy with 10 times the experience was the one on the side of the door with the controls.
In any case, despite a plane essentially reduced to shrapnel in difficult terrain, I bet they will be able to work out what happened here. RIP to all those who lost their lives and condolences especially that high school that lost 16 10th-graders and 2 teachers. As the parent of a 9th grader who has gone on exchange trips, I won’t lie; it puts a lump in my throat to think about this crash.
Still, flying is the safest way to travel and I won’t hesitate to board Alaska in April or May, though I’ll also be admit that I’ll be happy to be stepping aboard Boeing metal.
Please keep us updated as there is more to report that you might understand and we might misinterpret. Thanks for keeping the rhetoric and fear-mongering down. It strikes a good balance against the blather out there, though the usual fear-mongering and exaggeration does seem a bit toned down for this accident.
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Max says:
March 26, 2015 at 8:55 am
Well,“lack of terrorist activity in France” is not really exact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigipirate). By the way, the flight originated from Spain…
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Volker says:
March 26, 2015 at 7:56 am
To me its obvious that this is a case of pilot suicide: If the pilot left in the cockpit was unconcious he would not have initiated a controlled decend. And if he had collapsed over the control column unconciously thus disengaging the autopilot it would have been a steeper erratic decend or nosedive as other similar cases have shown. In stead he initiated a controlled decend not answereing anyone onboard or at ATC. This bought him enough time to fly the plane into a mountain side at high speed (400knts) to commit suicide before anyone on the plane or from the ground could stop him. At a normal landing decend his speed had been closer to 250 knots and with flaps extended like on final approach Veeref speed is only 145 knots approx. This circumstance indicates that him crashing the plane was intentional. If he had inteded to do an emergency landing he had steered clear of the mountains or at least found flattish terrain, reduced thrust to idle, extended full flaps and lowered the gear all to reduce speed to just about Veeref in order to prevent as much damage as possible. Another heavy circumstance is the fact that Airbus has designed a security feature that allows the locked out pilot to unlock the cockpit door from the outside by a presscode unlocking the door withinin 30 seconds. His attempts to get in lasted approx 8min. However if the pilot inside the cockpit bolts down the door intentionally from the inside even with this code the door is inaccessible due to the measures implemented after 911.
So to wrap it up we have several circumstances that point to suicide:
1) one pilot locked the other out of the cockpit intentionally
2) the decend was controlled (not erratic indicating loss of control) and at high speed into a mountain wall
3) no attempts were made to reduce speed, lower flaps or gear
4) no answers or distress calls from the pilot inside the cockpit – total silence (to buy time as he had made up his mind)
5) the pilot in the cockpit was consious as he initiated a decend and locked the door from the inside – both were intentional concious actions
What more do we need to prove that this was pilot suicide?
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It is possible for one pilot of an Airbus A320 to lock the other pilot out of the cockpit to the extent that he cannot regain entry, even if the aircraft is in a fatal dive, says an Australian pilot of an A320.
"You can hear he is trying to smash the [cockpit] door down," the official said.
An Australian A320 pilot, who declined to be named, said the locked flight deck of the aircraft could be entered using an emergency code on a keypad. In the case of the pilot flying the aircraft being incapacitated, the door will automatically open after a set period of time if the correct code is entered.
However, in the event a pilot flying the aircraft does not want the other pilot to enter the flight deck, the one in the cockpit has the ability to block entry if he reacts before the door would be opened automatically.
"If the person on the other side of the door says 'no', you can't get in," the Australian pilot said.
He added that the doors are bolted and heavily protected and it would likely be impossible to break it down within minutes, even if passengers or flight attendants assisted.
.....in the event the pilot flying the aircraft had been incapacitated, the plane would have continued at cruising altitude using its autopilot function.
The investigation into the crash remains ongoing and it is still unclear whether one of the pilots downed the plane in a deliberate act.
There are, however, other cases of pilot suicide resulting in aircraft crashes, including the loss of Mozambique airline LAM's Flight 470 in 2013 in Namibia. In that case, the captain made inputs that directed the plane to the ground shortly after the first officer left the flight deck. All 33 people on board were killed.
In 1997, Silkair Flight 185, a Boeing 737 en route from Jakarta to Singapore crashed in Indonesia following a rapid descent from cruising altitude. In that case, there was also speculation that the first officer had left the flight deck when the crash occurred.
Reminds one of Silk Air deliberate suicide into ground
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The radar track and complete lack of vectoring in combination with the fact that decent began within a few short minutes of leveling off (and no radio communication) reminds me an awful lot of Silkair 185. |
SilkAir was almost in a vertical dive and was traveling around the speed of sound. Completely different scenario.
Also, wasn't SilkAir a suicide?
Also, wasn't SilkAir a suicide?
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SilkAir was almost in a vertical dive and was traveling around the speed of sound. Completely different scenario. Also, wasn't SilkAir a suicide? |
You're 100% correct about the difference in the comparative rates of descent. I suppose I'm suggesting that deliberate control inputs is one of many possibilities here. The timing of the descent just minutes after achieving FL 380 seems strikingly coincidental.
Non accidental controlled flight into terrain is not out of the realm of possibility here, it is certainly not inconsistent with the data so far, although probably not very likely.
For the sake of speculation
I'm guessing what some of the aviation experts are saying and the pitot tubes got blocked (EDIT: or there was some other unexpected condition with the instruments/the way the pilots understood them) computer tries to compensate, pilot confusion, realize the problem too late to correct it, controlled flight into terrain.
Apparently there was no distress call issued by the crew but instead aviation officials issued a distress phase when they realized how long it went without radio contact and the rapid descent
The investigation will make the ultimate cause clear (hopefully) but:
1) 3,000 feet per minute is too fast for gliding, but it's too slow for explosive decompression. The rate of descent was fairly stable too.
2) Now that we seem to have removed the possibility that the pilots ever called for help (and the 10:47 "distress call" was actually done by aviation officials when they couldn't contact the plane), most likely the ADS-B data stopping is due to the crash of the plane. The crash site is about 2,000 feet or so in altitude, and the last data point at 5:35AM is at 6,800 feet. So if it went another 3,500 feet or 4,000 feet down, high speed crash, end of ADS-B data.
3) If there was a loss of aircraft control, you'd expect them to do a mayday call. And if there were so many problems in the cockpit, you wouldn't expect the ADS-B data to continue transmitting, or for the transponder to continue working (and if they needed help, they could have tuned the transponder to 7600/7700 (haven't seen any reports of this yet).
I'm guessing what some of the aviation experts are saying and the pitot tubes got blocked (EDIT: or there was some other unexpected condition with the instruments/the way the pilots understood them) computer tries to compensate, pilot confusion, realize the problem too late to correct it, controlled flight into terrain.
Apparently there was no distress call issued by the crew but instead aviation officials issued a distress phase when they realized how long it went without radio contact and the rapid descent
The investigation will make the ultimate cause clear (hopefully) but:
1) 3,000 feet per minute is too fast for gliding, but it's too slow for explosive decompression. The rate of descent was fairly stable too.
2) Now that we seem to have removed the possibility that the pilots ever called for help (and the 10:47 "distress call" was actually done by aviation officials when they couldn't contact the plane), most likely the ADS-B data stopping is due to the crash of the plane. The crash site is about 2,000 feet or so in altitude, and the last data point at 5:35AM is at 6,800 feet. So if it went another 3,500 feet or 4,000 feet down, high speed crash, end of ADS-B data.
3) If there was a loss of aircraft control, you'd expect them to do a mayday call. And if there were so many problems in the cockpit, you wouldn't expect the ADS-B data to continue transmitting, or for the transponder to continue working (and if they needed help, they could have tuned the transponder to 7600/7700 (haven't seen any reports of this yet).
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