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Ceratisa • 3 days ago
This man is openly extremist and shouted as much as he gunned people down. This was an act of terrorism with alot of warning signs before it happened.
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ff11chochol Ceratisa • 2 days ago
I wonder if they monitored him for his contacts and that is why they wont open it up all the way, they clearly knew he was a danger to himself and others.
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Matthew Del Rossi ff11chochol • 2 days ago
People in the military knew of his views. Other officers brought them up at his duty station prior to Hood.
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tarura Matthew Del Rossi • 2 days ago
Not only the victims are betrayed by defining this shooting
as "workplace violence". All Americans are.
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Mal tarura • 2 days ago
To a point, Tarura. I don't think the Americans in the current White House administration that promoted this lie have been betrayed; it being their agenda after all.
The sooner your wonderful country loses the rat-bastards currently running it, the better.
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Barredbard Mal • a day ago
Why miss an opportunity to point fingers at the White House? The article did say that it was the Department of Defense that did the classifying. And Republican Chuck Hagel is the Secretary of Defense. Although the fact that these soldiers are not getting the financial support that they need is awful and should be fixed promptly, does it really defy logic that the incident was classified a workplace shooting? Were they in combat at the time?
But why trip over those facts, or any other facts for that matter? Calling the President and his administration "rat-bastards" was an especially nice touch. It is eloquently meaningless. Did you come up with that yourself? Surely, there's more where that came from. "Our wonderful country" did elect him twice. While you dine on sour grapes. Bureaucratic red-tape is nonpartisan. You sir, are not.
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Mal Barredbard • a day ago
Barredbard wrote: "Go, post on the Fox News website. Your comments would be better appreciated there."
Oh, dear me; you don't appreciate my comments! How ever am I going to manage?
Hasan, the filth, called it war himself. The atrocity was no more workplace violence than your twice-elected president represents your nation's best interests.
Full marks for the lofty response, though!
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Barredbard Mal • 33 minutes ago
Thank you. I was rather proud of my response, myself. And the electorate obviously disagrees with you, having elected the President twice, your vociferous opposition notwithstanding. And yes, we should always take the word of the criminal on the crime he is accused of committing. If a rapist calls rape consensual sex, ah, what are we to do; he so defined it. If "Hassan the filth" declared his nefarious act to be war, ah yes, we are required to abide by his definition. The absurdity of the foregoing proposition is all too apparent. More grease to thy elbows.
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stat Eng Barredbard • 8 hours ago
It is the administrations fault. They are the boss of the dod. Keep pushing blame away from Obama. It was not violence it was an act of terrorism.
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Thomas Hoskinson Barredbard • 6 hours ago
Your comment is insipid and disingenuous. Hagel has always been more Dem regardless of his affiliation and was appointed by Obama. He serves in a Dem administration. Obama has the power to make this problem go away for these soldiers and their families. Calling him a "rat bastard" is mild condemnation for a "leader" who leaves our servicemen and women and their families hanging in the wind while he takes a nice vacation guaranteed to cost taxpayers in the tens of millions of dollars.
The victims of 9/11 and their families got millions and well deserved. Should our troops and their families deserve less in a clear terrorist event? They deserve much better.
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Barredbard Thomas Hoskinson • 40 minutes ago
A comment is "insipid?" How interesting. Hypocrisy makes for an uncomfortable raft on the high seas. I seem to recall a certain President Bush - who for all his faults, I never learned to hate - taking vacations throughout his presidency while at least one unjustified war was raging, and corpses were raining. "Mild condemnation" was nowhere in sight at the time. Nor were parties convening for tea as they are now.
The President is not required to intervene or even have a say in a relatively autonomous department's affairs. The victims of 9/11 were attacked by foreigners albeit who had spent time in the U.S. A far more clear-cut act of terrorism, from that standpoint. It is all moot, though. All the hatred in the world will not undo the will of the electorate this past season. Keep at it.
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JayC Mal • 6 hours ago
We have had too few in our government for most of its history who were not rat bastards. President Jackson's treatment of the "Five Civilized Tribes" was just the beginning of America's own apartheid. President Hoover ordered troops to attack WWI veterans ("Bonus Army") when they marched on Washington DC. The attacks were led by George Patton and Douglas MacArthur. Look it up. Reagan conducted secret wars against the native people of Central America. A. Lincoln ordered the execution of 38 Dakota Indians for "rebellion." He never did the same to any Confederate leaders. Our returning veterans have never been treated well. As a country, we're $crewed.
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Mkat2 tarura • a day ago
This is a slap in the face to ALL Americans to call it 'work-place' violence! Our Gov.'s. priorities are NOT with the American people! I could not have dreamed the day would come when I'd feel; "I do not trust my Gov." sadly, that day has, in fact, come. The 13 soldiers shot by Hassan were first betrayed by him & then, by our Gov.
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Derwinsays Mkat2 • a day ago
Mkat, I strongly believe that the Ft. Hood incident should have been classified as a terrorist act by an Islamic extremist/terrorist. But it was not up to Obama to do so. It was DoD's decision to call it as a work place incident. However, as the Commander-in-Chief, Obama could have easily overruled the decision makers and called the incident as a terrorist act. I attribute his attitude to his big time liberal way of thinking as opposed to his personal background. I seriously doubt that he was ever a muslim. He was more or less an atheist until he chose christianity as his religion.
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TheTrutha Derwinsays • 7 hours ago
As we saw with Bengahzi, all the offices and groups in the Obama administration "consult" with each other. Even before the DoD decision, all the official groups in the White House kept labeling it Work Place Violence. That was their lie from day 1. So when the DoD had to decide on what to classify it, do YOU think they would go against the story put forth by Obama and his press corp? Or would they be good soldiers and call it what he wanted???
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Thomas Daniel Matthew Del Rossi • 11 hours ago
and he got promoted anyway
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Dirt Grub ff11chochol • 2 days ago
I don't understand how this shooting happened. According to most leftist liberals only cops and the military should be trusted with guns...
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bwweinstein Dirt Grub • 2 days ago
I don't understand how this shooting happened. According to most righest conservatives, since everyone was carrying a gun, they should have been able to defend themselves.
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ejeff bwweinstein • 2 days ago
no Weinstein- Progressives have ensured that people on military bases aren't allowed to carry weapons either.
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Bry2013 ejeff • 2 days ago
That's a fact!!!!
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Dirt Grub bwweinstein • 2 days ago
Conservatives don't think that because they know the soilders were unarmed. If they were armed the shooter would be dead.
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Ceratisa bwweinstein • 2 days ago
You actually aren't supposed to carry on base. It is technically one of those gun free zones. I believe it came into law around Clinton's administration so it hasn't always been that way.
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Mkat2 Ceratisa • a day ago
Another brilliant "Progressive" idea!
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Derwinsays Ceratisa • a day ago
You are right. Only the MPs are allowed to carry guns on base. The soldiers, airmen and navy personnel are issued M-16s when they are deployed to war zones. I believe the officers and MPs are also issued handguns. All weapons are packed and loaded onto metallic 'pallets', which gets shipped on a cargo plane. The deployment/processing facility such as the one at Ft. Hood is used to take care of all the administrative stuff and make sure the soldiers have all the mandatory things in their possession.
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sean bwweinstein • a day ago
Nobody carries guns on base except for MP's
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Dirt Grub bwweinstein • a day ago
Your comment proves how ignorant and stupid most liberals are. They liked your comment even though its a lie.
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bwweinstein Dirt Grub • 19 hours ago
You win!
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Paultryguest Dirt Grub • 2 days ago
Yes, best to just do away with military and police and just hand everyone a weapon. No other way to ensure every Americans keep their safety in their own hands.
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Dirt Grub Paultryguest • 2 days ago
I wouldn't be surprised if that's how liberals really think
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Yuhanna Wallstreet Muhammad Dirt Grub • a day ago
i gotta say you and weinstien's responses are hilarious.
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JusticeforAll Ceratisa • 2 days ago
Islamist is incompatible with democracy and freedom. Islamist must live in their own country under sharia law. There this guy would have been long dead.
I wonder how many Muslim reached out to all these victims? I am sure it is so many that you cannot count 0.
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Jenn Nicole Hunt JusticeforAll • 2 days ago
I believe Hasan's cousin is Muslim and he HAS reached out to the victims of that day
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mountainsurf Jenn Nicole Hunt • 2 days ago
Are you a government contractor working for the Obama cartel?
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Larry L mountainsurf • 9 hours ago
I've seen the "Obama Cartel" phrase used lately among the moronic fringe of our Fox News crowd. You guys pick up these phrases and mindlessly pass them around like high school girls with the latest slang. Hating America is getting to be a full-time job for you folks. Think how hard it would be if you had to think for yourself!
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want2believe mountainsurf • 10 hours ago
Probably just a rational human being, you?
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toptwome mountainsurf • 8 hours ago
President Obama does not have a cartel. But the GOP has a coven and a cult that is all about the wealthy and privatization by ALEC.
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Softship JusticeforAll • 2 days ago
Did you reach out to all the victims killed by various non-Muslims in the last 12 months?
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Bobba_Fett Softship • 2 days ago
The moral equivalence you're inferring here is asinine.
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Softship Bobba_Fett • 2 days ago
Really? Why?
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Bobba_Fett Softship • 2 days ago
You really think you've got it all figured out - I don't "answer" questions reeking of the filth of disingenuity.
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Softship Bobba_Fett • 2 days ago
LOL. You can't, can you.
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Bobba_Fett Softship • 2 days ago
You'd love to think that, wouldn't you. But the truth is that you're not interested in anything contrary to your twisted views.
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Softship Bobba_Fett • 2 days ago
You don't have a clue what my views are, fatty.
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BlaBla Bobba_Fett • 11 hours ago
You're like that fat cow on the Bad Girls Club that accused the other of saying she had no "genuinity".
"I know you are but what am I?"
VERY grown up. Almost as grown up as your juvenile post name.
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Bobba_Fett BlaBla • 9 hours ago
lol "Bad Girl's Club"?
Cool story bro. Here's a thumbs up.
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Larry L Bobba_Fett • 9 hours ago
No... It's a fair question. Do all Christians take responsibility for that acts of all other Christians? Tim McVey was a Christian. So was Adolph Hitler. Did the Christian community rise up in arms as a religious entity?
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Bobba_Fett Larry L • 9 hours ago
Oh my gosh are you kidding me? Don't you even try to think intellectually for a single minute? Give me a SHRED of evidence that suggests that McVeigh's religion had ANYTHING to do with his crime. Don't you even stop to think that Hasan committed this crime IN THE NAME OF ISLAM?!? Don't you see the DIFFERENCE?! You FOOLS keep trotting out McVeigh as some kind of equivalent to these MURDERERS who MURDER in the NAME OF ISLAM.
My GOODNESS we're doomed.
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want2believe Bobba_Fett • 8 hours ago
McVeigh was a bad example of a religious terrorist. However Anders Breivik ring a bell? Norway shooter described as a Christian fundamentalist. What about Reverand Paul Jennings Hill, Eric Rudolph, James Kopp, or Scott Roeder? All of which murdered abortion doctors or innocent bystanders in the name of their Christian beliefs. What about all of the Christian activists that have signed a Defensive Action Statement justifying the killing of one of those abortion doctors. Most Christians would say these individuals didn't follow the true teachings of Christianity, just as most Muslims would say about extremists that claim to murder in the name of Islam. Is there a difference? Should either group have to take responsibility? To me, no one group is responsible, we all have to weed out any and all extremists, regardless of religion.
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JusticeforAll want2believe • 8 hours ago
If Muslims only did Fort Hood It would not bother me. They have committed some 40,000 since 1996 over 96% by Muslims.
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Thomas Hoskinson want2believe • 5 hours ago −
Your examples are flawed as there is no known Christian religion that encourages, compels or blesses individuals to such action. There will always be crackpots. When in modern history have Christians as a faith group murdered non-Christians for religious reasons?
Lastly, if your assertion about "most Muslims" abhorring the extremist's actions why were there cheers across the Middle East after 9/11?
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Softship JusticeforAll • 2 days ago
Did you reach out to all the victims killed by various non-Muslims in the last 12 months?
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Bobba_Fett Softship • 2 days ago
The moral equivalence you're inferring here is asinine.
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Softship Bobba_Fett • 2 days ago
Really? Why?
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Bobba_Fett Softship • 2 days ago
You really think you've got it all figured out - I don't "answer" questions reeking of the filth of disingenuity.
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Softship Bobba_Fett • 2 days ago
LOL. You can't, can you.
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Bobba_Fett Softship • 2 days ago
You'd love to think that, wouldn't you. But the truth is that you're not interested in anything contrary to your twisted views.
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Softship Bobba_Fett • 2 days ago
You don't have a clue what my views are, fatty.
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BlaBla Bobba_Fett • 11 hours ago
You're like that fat cow on the Bad Girls Club that accused the other of saying she had no "genuinity".
"I know you are but what am I?"
VERY grown up. Almost as grown up as your juvenile post name.
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Bobba_Fett BlaBla • 9 hours ago
lol "Bad Girl's Club"?
Cool story bro. Here's a thumbs up.
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Larry L Bobba_Fett • 9 hours ago
No... It's a fair question. Do all Christians take responsibility for that acts of all other Christians? Tim McVey was a Christian. So was Adolph Hitler. Did the Christian community rise up in arms as a religious entity?
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Bobba_Fett Larry L • 9 hours ago
Oh my gosh are you kidding me? Don't you even try to think intellectually for a single minute? Give me a SHRED of evidence that suggests that McVeigh's religion had ANYTHING to do with his crime. Don't you even stop to think that Hasan committed this crime IN THE NAME OF ISLAM?!? Don't you see the DIFFERENCE?! You FOOLS keep trotting out McVeigh as some kind of equivalent to these MURDERERS who MURDER in the NAME OF ISLAM.
My GOODNESS we're doomed.
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want2believe Bobba_Fett • 8 hours ago
McVeigh was a bad example of a religious terrorist. However Anders Breivik ring a bell? Norway shooter described as a Christian fundamentalist. What about Reverand Paul Jennings Hill, Eric Rudolph, James Kopp, or Scott Roeder? All of which murdered abortion doctors or innocent bystanders in the name of their Christian beliefs. What about all of the Christian activists that have signed a Defensive Action Statement justifying the killing of one of those abortion doctors. Most Christians would say these individuals didn't follow the true teachings of Christianity, just as most Muslims would say about extremists that claim to murder in the name of Islam. Is there a difference? Should either group have to take responsibility? To me, no one group is responsible, we all have to weed out any and all extremists, regardless of religion.
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JusticeforAll want2believe • 8 hours ago
If Muslims only did Fort Hood It would not bother me. They have committed some 40,000 since 1996 over 96% by Muslims.
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Thomas Hoskinson want2believe • 5 hours ago
Your examples are flawed as there is no known Christian religion that encourages, compels or blesses individuals to such action. There will always be crackpots. When in modern history have Christians as a faith group murdered non-Christians for religious reasons?
Lastly, if your assertion about "most Muslims" abhorring the extremist's actions why were there cheers across the Middle East after 9/11?
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Cognitive Sonance want2believe • 8 hours ago
Anders Breivik committed mass murder and was hoping muslims would be blamed, in an effort to drive Islam out of his country. so, in a strange way, the motivation was somewhat based off Islam, except as a reaction to it.
Personally, I think it would have made much more sense to have committed violence against muslims or the mosques, instead of trying to pin terrorism on them in his country, but who know how mad men think?
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toptwome Bobba_Fett • 8 hours ago
McVeigh was a home grown terrorist and he and his buds killed a lot more people than this terrorist.
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JusticeforAll toptwome • 8 hours ago
Muslim committed some 40,000 acts of terror since 1996.
Hence it is not a single act but the aggregate.
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Thomas Hoskinson Larry L • 5 hours ago
Neither did so in furtherance of Christianity nor were they instructed to do so by their religious beliefs. Hard as it may be for you to understand neither situation was about religion whereas this clearly was.
Very poor argument and false comparison.
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Derwinsays JusticeforAll • a day ago
I agree with you as far as Sharia law is concerned. It's definately incompatible with democracy. However, it's naive and foolish of you to think that some how all muslims are responsible for the behavior of one of them. As a christian, am I supposed to be responsible for the likes of Jimmy Swaggert, who have stained christianity? Sure, any event or bad behavior of well known christians such as Pat Robertson troubles me. But I am NOT in any way responsible for their behavior. Likewise, Major Moron is responsible for his own behavior as any other adult. It's virtually impossible for any group or community to control the behavior of each individual in their group/community. Your way of thinking defies logic and reasoning.
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mountainlady Derwinsays • 11 hours ago
I would agree with you except that you, as a Christian, speak out against those who dishonor your faith. The Muslim community, as a whole, has been pretty silent about the actions of their extremists. Where I come from, silence equals consent. When the Muslim community stands up in outrage and speaks openly against terrorist atrocities.... then I'll be more understanding and accepting of their faith as belonging in a 21st century world.
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Derwinsays mountainlady • 10 hours ago
I do speak against those, who dishonor my faith. Right after 9/11 terrorist attacks, I was troubled by the silence in muslim community. Yes, there were a few, that spoke up against the attacks, but some of them tried to justify by coming up with moral equivalence to what Israel was doing in the middle-east. Obviously, that was NOT acceptable for me.
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mountainlady Derwinsays • 6 hours ago
Derwin, I'm confused by your post. Do you or don't you object to violence against innocents? Do you believe that the complete intolerance of the Islamic world against Israel justifies any kind of violence?
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Derwinsays mountainlady • 9 minutes ago
Ok, I messed up with my typing. I wanted to say, "Obviously, that was NOT acceptable for me." Violence against innocent people is not acceptable to any group of civilized people.
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want2believe mountainlady • 8 hours ago
Where I come from, silence equals people have better things to do with their lives than pacify the likes of you or anyone else that may not be "accepting of their faith". Despite that numerous groups did speak out against this and all other attacks. I've asked numerous Christians why they don't speak out against some of the numerous extremist groups with ties to Christianity and I usually get something to the tune of well I've never heard of them or they aren't real Christians. So why would you expect Muslims to go out of their way? Some try and it obviously gets them no where by the ignorant posts seen here.
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mountainlady want2believe • 6 hours ago
"Silence implies consent" is a quote from Sir Thomas Moore at the turn of the 16th century. I'm sorry, I'm not saying you're wrong but I didn't hear "numerous" Muslim groups speaking out against 9/11.... I just saw the video of Muslims celebrating the event in Jordan. We don't have terrorist groups attached to Christianity too much anymore unless you count the right to life folks that blow up birth control clinics. As far as extremist Christian associated cults go.... they usually end up in court for one thing and another. Christianity has a violent and intolerant past but have started to learn from their mistakes and become civilized. Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity but I'm not sure the world should have to wait another 600 years for Islam to grow up. Muslims in general don't seem to have much interest in condemning Al Qaida for murdering innocent civilians or the Taliban for shooting school girls. If Islam is such a wonderful and worthwhile faith, why would it be going out of anyone's way to object to mass murder? What exactly are their values if massacre of innocents is not worth "going out of their way"? I'm generally a pacifist. I'm almost completely a live and let live person who doesn't care who or how anyone worships. But when one religion demonstrates over and over and over again that violence against others is excusable in the interest of faith....well I get a little frustrated.
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JusticeforAll Derwinsays • 13 hours ago
Yes you have some good points. However, my view does not just rely one act. It considers 40,000 acts of terrorism 98% committed by Muslims in the name of G-d since 1996. My view also considers how people vote with their feet. In the past century there has been a 10,000% increase in Muslim population increase in the west. At the same time there is a 90% decrease in the 56 Islamic countries of minorities. The later represent the largest religious cleansing in history.
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Derwinsays JusticeforAll • 11 hours ago
Alright, I do realize that more than 90% of all terrorist acts have been committed by them. They say that they commit these crimes in the name of God. But we all know God would never approve of killing innocent people. These people are brainwashed. They have no idea who God is and what he/she stands for. Think about this: invasion of India by Persian & Turkish Islamist started in 11th century. They still face terrorism from their Islamic neighbors. So, we are not the only ones facing Islamic terrorism. Even Russia and China have gotten a taste of it. I am all for reducing immigration, especially from islamic countries. We don't want to be another europe, where muslims have established themselves firmly in a big way. I realize that most of the non-mulsims have been harassed and driven out of islamic countries. There is some religious tolerance in small countries like Malasia, Bahrain and Dubai. I saw a lot of non-muslims in those countries. Saudi Arabia has no tolerance for non-muslims. They want their expertise and services, but with no religious freedom. People just go there to make money. Once upon a time, countries like Indonesia and Malasia were 100% hindu+budhist countries. In this country, our "beloved" politicians could do somethings like banning burkha and/or long scarfs (hijab).
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JusticeforAll Derwinsays • 9 hours ago
All we have to do is treat them like they treat minorities in their country. Allow the same #immigrants from their country as they have in net minorities increase. We let them get away treating us like inferior beasts.
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marywnm Derwinsays • 10 hours ago
It seems to me that many Muslims believe that if I do not agree with them, I do not deserve life-and I have not heard many of the muslim faith distance themselves from this "notion"---but you are correct, we each are responsible for our own actions--
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Derwinsays marywnm • 11 minutes ago
marywnm, you are right. A large segment of their community believes in "my way or highway, leading to death and destruction". That's the thinking of the dark ages. In fairness to them, NOT all of them think that way. At least, not the well educated and civilized ones. Kurdish muslims practice a kinder and gentler version of Islam; so do people of Malasia. I believe muslims in Kosovo, Bosnia, Lebanon and Turkey also do not believe in fundamentalism. Unfortunately, it's the extremists that end up getting into headline news.
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want2believe JusticeforAll • 9 hours ago
It took a whole 30 seconds on a well known search engine to find numerous Muslim groups that reached out to the Fort Hood victims including the American Muslim Society and the Islamic Society of North America, which created a fund for the victims' families. It's a choice to be ignorant, and such ignorance is just being used to spread more hate among fellow Americans. Congrats and thank you for that.
What did you do to reach out, as you had just as much of a responsibility as anyone else and likely did nothing.
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JusticeforAll want2believe • 9 hours ago
I have not heard from one of the victims that any of this so called help amounted to beans. All I hear is how destitude they are financially and loss from this event.
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want2believe JusticeforAll • 9 hours ago
Perhaps not, but they still did more than you.
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Netoriya JusticeforAll • a day ago
I am not a Muslim, I am a Christian (or you may call me an atheist too). How could you make such a negative comment about the Muslims? Do you know that Christians did kill more people in one decade alone than all the religions combined in well over 250 years?
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JusticeforAll Netoriya • 13 hours ago
In regards to killing in the name of religion Muslims are #1. If you are referring to wars that were not religious based that was not the subject of my comments.
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Larry L JusticeforAll • 9 hours ago
Ever read about the Crusades or the Inquisition?
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JusticeforAll Larry L • 9 hours ago
Larry do you know why the crusade started? IT was in response to the unprovoked Muslim devastation, raping and ravaging of 2/3 of Europe. They went to war to recapture Europe back.
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Female Clergy Netoriya • 21 hours ago
What decade?
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marywnm Netoriya • 10 hours ago
Where do you find these statistics? I would like to see where this comes from---
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toptwome JusticeforAll • 8 hours ago
Plenty of Islamists are living among us and they are doctors and other professionals who are not terrorists and we have no right to drag them all together. Many are very happy to be in America with the freedom and the opportunity they have here.
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JusticeforAll toptwome • 8 hours ago
The big problems occur when they are a big minority. When they are a majority they are brutal to minorities. How bad are they? In the majority 56 Islamic countries there has been a 90% decrease in minorities over the past century.
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Nodack Ceratisa • 3 days ago
An act of terrorism by a US officer. That blurrs things.
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Mike500 Nodack • 3 days ago
No, it just means additional charges should be filed, like treason and spying. He admits he 'changed sides'. Wearing a US Army uniform while working for the other side makes you a spy, and traitor.
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ricotorpe Mike500 • 2 days ago
You're only a spy if you gather intel, but traitor? Yep. I also think what he did meets the Constitutional definition of treason.
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Bry2013 Mike500 • 2 days ago
Agreed. However, it is uncharted territory. so Nodack may have a small point.
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newell london Bry2013 • 2 days ago
He has no point. Terrorism is violence to achieve a political objective.
Nidal Hasan made it very clear what his objective was when he gunned down the servicemen and women; to end the US invasion and occupation of Arab lands.
That's how he viewed the US interventions after 911 and he's verbalized a political objective that he tried to achieve through violence.
It was a act of Terrorism, no matter how much Obama and his minions do not want it to be.
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Bry2013 newell london • 2 days ago
He has a very valid point whether you agree or not. You seemed to have an "Obama Fixation" that isn't something I can help you with. I never said it wasn't an act of terrorism. Calm yourself. Slow deep breaths.
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ma33ai Bry2013 • 2 days ago
this crime has nothing to do with obama... its miscategorization is a different story
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Bry2013 ma33ai • 2 days ago
Agreed
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newell london Bry2013 • 2 days ago
At the end of the day Obama wanted to get reelected and his minions carried out the message that "Bin Laden is dead and Osama Bin Laden is dead". These were their mantra chants during the entire fall campaign. So they shaped their policies regarding attacks like the one in Texas as something other than Terrorism. Because after all they had defeated it.
If you think I'm "fixating" on Obama then you are delusional. I focus on his politics and policies, not on him personally. Learn the difference.
Remember at the end of the day Obama by Executive Order can change the designation of the Fort Hood attacks to a act of Terrorism it really will change nothing in the Nidal Hasan trial, he will never walk free.
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Bry2013 newell london • 2 days ago
Rather than go back and forth about this let's cut to the proverbial chase. Your last paragraph is spot on.
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Zima zima newell london • 10 hours ago
Ok maybe you are confused who decides if the guy is guilty or not-which after convicted, you can label him, but its not the Executive office. If you do not have a fixation on Obama how is this any of his job description? Ask the Judicial branch to label him as he is no longer dealing with any other branch of the government and remember to read a book about separation of powers.
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thestingisthetruth Bry2013 • 2 days ago
Not really. The US has had traitors before... We are elevating this pig's crime. He is a traitor. Period.
On top of it, psychiatrist who violated every vow he ever took in the medical profession.
I think I just came up with an appropriate punishment for him. A large dose of LSD, then locked into a solitary confinement cell with pigs for the rest of his life...
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Bry2013 thestingisthetruth • 2 days ago
Never said he wasn't a traitor. I agree with your assessment regarding punishment. Or worse, make him work in a pig slaughter house, recite the Lord's Prayer daily, and drop him in a hole at night. What's for dinner? Pork Barbecue............
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Mike500 Bry2013 • 2 days ago
Not exactly uncharted. In WWII there was a US pilot who defected to Germany. He was tried and convicted of treason after the war. He was pardoned in 1960.
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Bry2013 Mike500 • 2 days ago
That's interesting. I really didn't know that.
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Jenn Nicole Hunt Bry2013 • 2 days ago
it is not uncharted territory, there have been many traitors before, they are just making excuses
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Bry2013 Jenn Nicole Hunt • 2 days ago
So I am slowly beginning to realize Jenn. I really didn't factor in that we had traitors that were Military Officers before. You are also right in that the excuses need to stop.
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GorillaNation Mike500 • 2 days ago
He should have been publicly lynched like the Wichita Massacre racists should have been.
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Mike500 GorillaNation • 2 days ago
It was unfortunate he survived his wounds. It would have been better all around if he died in the shoot-out. No matter how despicable he is (which is plenty), he needs a trial.
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westcoastGG Nodack • 2 days ago
I'm usually pro army, but this sounds like the army is trying to get out of paying advanced benefits for these terrorist victims....
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Sharky66 westcoastGG • 2 days ago
No, this was Obama's decision to call it Workplace Violence and not terrorism.
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jo Sharky66 • 2 days ago −
Another of many betrayals against America. Another "covering" of Muslim terrorism subversion.
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arura jo • 2 days ago
Hope'n'change at work.
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Mkat2 jo • a day ago
By, President 'Lets-make-nice & then, they'll like us'!
How's that working for you, Obama???
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Matthew Del Rossi Sharky66 • 2 days ago
Actually it was DOD who first called it work place violence.
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tarura Matthew Del Rossi • 2 days ago
Actually, it was Obama who first called "not to jump to any
conclusion", then it was DOD's "compliance" with that
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David Busi Sharky66 • 2 days ago
Get off your political soap box. This is an interim description to be held in place - until he is found guilty. Then it can be properly reclassified to what it really was which was an attack by an enemy combatant who committed treason, pre-meditated murder and who will be found guilty and executed.
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jo David Busi • 2 days ago
Oh for the days when we were allowed to identify situations & persons for what they REALLY were. Sadly Etymology is morphing into the insanity of a Mad Hatter Tea Party. Madness.
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ejeff David Busi • 2 days ago
You are making excuses for this progressive, anti-American administration. This was a terrorist act and could have and should have been designated as such. In a progressive society, the victims suffer as the perpetrators are given every benefit of the doubt.
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David Busi ejeff • 2 days ago
There is nothing inconsistent with being pro american and progressive. It has taken too long but the outcome will be the same - an executed muslim traitor. What is not correct is how long the victims have had to suffer waiting for the outcome to happen.
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Clint Lien Sharky66 • a day ago
Not trying to be confrontational but can you sight a source for this assertion? I'd be interested in seeing that.
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Mike500 westcoastGG • 2 days ago
It's likely a policy decision made above the Army. You can guess who. You know, that guy who has a hard time calling terrorist attacks as what they are.
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jo Mike500 • 2 days ago
Cuz, like one of his staff once said, "What does it really matter"?
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Micheal Garza Mike500 • 2 days ago
You mean the President that got bin Laden?
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usaf317 Micheal Garza • 2 days ago
He did? He was their on the ground with the navy seals? Wow! What a real hero! He should give himself a medal..or two....I mean, why not , he is the greatest most bestest human being in the universe.
Nuts!
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Mike500 Micheal Garza • 2 days ago
One attaboy in 5 years doesn't erase hundreds of ah s***'s.
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ejeff Micheal Garza • 2 days ago
The intelligence community and the seals got Bin Laden and the hunt started long before the current administration. A progressive will do what it takes, even go against their own instincts, to survive politically as they "fundamentally transform" America. This President has never even managed a hot dog stand, and yet to the willfully ignorant he's a genius in all aspects of life including military intelligence and tactics.
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Softship Mike500 • 2 days ago
You do know who has been running the Department of Defense for most of Obama's presidency? Republicans.
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ejeff Softship • 2 days ago
Don't be so willfully ignorant. This is a progressive attitude and decision, and has no resemblance to conservative Republican thought; progressive republican thought, maybe, but definitely the left wing progressives like Obama and Holder. This cannot be denied.
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scopedope Mike500 • 2 days ago
The victims WERE betrayed, by the Muslim Obama!
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Guest westcoastGG • 2 days ago
No, its all political, so they are taking orders from the WH
Any other service member would have been striped of rank
and had their pay frozen the day of the attack.
He is getting "Special Political Treatment" from the WH
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Ceratisa Nodack • 3 days ago
Neg, terrorism is terrorism and an extremist who advertises the fact that he is a "SoA" is no longer a US service member.
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Dustin Goldsen Ceratisa • 3 days ago
I challenge you to find any place in the Military Code of Justice where it says advertising the fact that you are a terrorist atomically discharges you from the service.
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Mike500 Dustin Goldsen • 3 days ago
He could have and should have been given an administrative discharge. Saying you had sympathies with the enemy is more than enough reason.
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The_AF_Chief Mike500 • 2 days ago
No actually, he should have been shot on sight. Once he committed the crime he shouldn't have any rights at all.
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David Busi The_AF_Chief • 2 days ago
He was shot on sight - that is how he was put into a wheel chair. Now he will be found guilty and executed.
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jo David Busi • 2 days ago
If Hasan receives his execution wish, he will become a magnificent Muslim martyr. That's his ultimate goal. He needs to be denied.
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Mike500 The_AF_Chief • 2 days ago
I was talking about before he shot people. His actions prior to the shooting more than justified an administrative discharge.
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ricotorpe The_AF_Chief • 2 days ago
Why do you hate our Constitution? It enumerates rights for both the accused AND the convicted.
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Bry2013 Mike500 • 2 days ago
I agree to a point. There were a few warning signs other than that which went ignored. Remember he was an Officer so things get blurred sometimes.
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jo Bry2013 • 2 days ago
From early, detailed reports, Hasan's actions, conferences, & dissertations were awkwardly & deliberately ignored, glossed over. Soldiers questioning Hasan's work were ordered to cease & desist. Unfortunately, the military PC fear turned fatal.
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Bry2013 jo • 2 days ago
Yes it did turn deadly. I am a firm believer in respecting everyone. However, at some point something is what it is and you have to adjust accordingly. There was more than enough evidence to suggest that Hasan was not compatible with military service and should have been discharged. Instead, he got promoted and passed on.
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Mike500 Bry2013 • 2 days ago
He was also medical personnel. They tend to be less by the book than most other parts of the Army or other services.
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Bry2013 Mike500 • 2 days ago
I agree with that. I had over 20 years to watch it.
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Mike500 Bry2013 • 2 days ago
I was Navy, but the Medical Corps was not known for being all that 'Navy'.
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Karlemil Mike500 • 2 days ago
It's why in every branch of the service the medical folks are not "line officers". Their rank is for pay purposes and leadership only within their field. Just like JAGs and some others.
It's why during one deployment, although there were a couple of Dr's on board the airplane going the same place (as I remember a Capt and a Lt Col), I was considered the "troop commander" as a 2Lt since I was the only line officer that was not a crew member. And the enlisted folks didn't even belong to my command.
Hence, like you say, the non line officers tend to be not "fill in the service branch" and seem to follow their own rules.
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thestingisthetruth Dustin Goldsen • 2 days ago
You give up any rights you might have along those lines when you commit a crime or violate the uniform code... You don't get to violate orders, and when taken to courts martial, say you resign your comission...
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tarura Dustin Goldsen • 2 days ago
Dont get too technical about it in a liberal fashion.
I think George Washington spoke about it on TV
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usaf317 Dustin Goldsen • 2 days ago
Better go read the ucmj Nancy boy
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Bry2013 Ceratisa • 2 days ago
I agree with you but that isn't the reality on the ground. He is still a US Service Member until he is found guilty of whatever they are going to charge him with.
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jo Nodack • 2 days ago
Regardless of age, gender, nationality, or military involvelment - Hasan is a human being the who committed premeditated murder due to Muslim beliefs. He is a terrorist who, unfortunately is/was a US officer. It's very clear. He wants to be terrorist martyr ... if the military court martial rules the death penalty, it will be a clear indication of where this current government honestly stands.
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Guest Nodack • 2 days ago
Yes, for those of us looking in on the situation.
For him, he was an extremist for his stupid beliefs.
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yuripelham Nodack • 2 days ago
Muslim is the highest trump card for that is the entity with which we are at war.
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Guest Nodack • 2 days ago
Only takes one bullet to go from US Army Officer to Terrorist Traitor
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Why Not Obama Nodack • 3 days ago
No, it doesn't... Nothing in the definition of terrorism about 'US Officer'
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Bugs Weta Ceratisa • 2 days ago
But per the Obama administration this was just a workplace altercation. Plus the war on terror is over so it couldn't have been terrorism.
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Jubril Ceratisa • 2 days ago
If you can call the Aurora shooting terrorism then you can call this one too Terrorism, but work place violence is more appropriate
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frez13 Ceratisa • 6 hours ago
If you shout USA, USA, are you an extremist as well?
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Robot Ceratisa • 8 hours ago
Obama and his idiot constituents in the Military don't care.
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stat Eng Ceratisa • 8 hours ago
Not according to Obama and his goons. Terrorism is winding down.
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BlaBla Ceratisa • 11 hours ago
Yes, he was a bad man. Bad. BAD! No dessert for him!
There - do you feel better now that you've gotten that temper tantrum off your shoulders?
MOVE ON.
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Joe Shmozler Ceratisa • a day ago
Its workplace violence only if you are the worst and most incompetent president of all time. For everyone else it's terrorism.
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Its workplace violence only if you are the worst and most incompetent president of all time. For everyone else it's terrorism.
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manuNYC Ceratisa • 2 days ago
But our proud president and liberal god sought not to classify this as an act of terror !!!!!
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David Ward • 3 days ago
"The Defense Department has argued that awarding Purple Hearts would indirectly brand Hasan a terrorist and make it tougher to conduct a fair death-penalty trial."
Thanks for serving guys. Your spouses and children can figure things out on their own from here.
Typical way the military handles their own. What a bunch of f×&*$ ing cowards. All the way up the chain of command. All the way up.
Support your rank and file soldiers people. The rest above them can suck my wrinkled balls then drop dead.
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usaf317 David Ward • 3 days ago
Has an has acknowledged, in court, he committed this act of violence ....he should be hanged like for the crimes he has committed. He is a terrorist.
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David Ward usaf317 • 3 days ago
At this stage, his fate is less important than the way our military and government are treating his victims. What benefit does hanging him bring them more than financial assistance to the spouses who now have no income and have to find jobs as well as pay for childcare to replace the income lost?
Hang him, shoot him, castrate and quarter him for all I care. But after he has long faded from public eye, their financial and emotional burdens still are front and center.
And that good people is on the doorstep of our own military hierarchy and the man to whom they report.
They say you can judge a man by the way he treats his wife. In that case the Joint Chiefs and their boss are no more than worthless cowards who send young men to die and and leave their families to fend for themselves. Maybe the time has come to worry less about whats happening in the backyards of others and tend to our overgrown weeds here at home.
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ginny4866 David Ward • 2 days ago
You are absolutely right David. The government should have been paying the survivors for the Purple Hearts the victims earned when this terrorist shot them on 05 NOV 2009. His pay should have been stopped as well. Personally I think, they should take that 278K and divide it by the number of victims and give it to them with a larger portion going to the 13 victims families who were murdered that day. But, that's just my opinion!!
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jo David Ward • 2 days ago
Mr. Ward ... you nailed it! Totally
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Why Not Obama David Ward • 3 days ago
Um, 'workplace violence'
You know, really it doesn't bother me too much that Barack feels his lie about terrorism being a non, made up concept is worth his betraying the fort hood victims...
What does bother me is, the American People's acceptance of that betrayal.
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jo Why Not Obama • 2 days ago
Sadly, he smiles, waves, rolls up his sleeves, take another vacation ... & 93% of the population goes into Justin Bieber frenzy. Yup, he blows in their ears & they follow him everywhere .... even to hell
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Micheal Garza Why Not Obama • 2 days ago
Yes the President who killed bin Laden and more terrorists in four years than Bush's 8 years does not believe terrorism exists. He's the worst terrorist sympathizer ever.
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ma33ai David Ward • 2 days ago
noooo. don't brand him a terrorist. someone who dies in a friendly fire accident can get the medal and the benefits for the surviving family, but someone slain in an ambush by a ruthless terrorist-traitor-mass-murderer must wait for the outcome of the trial, because calling things what they are might make it difficult to come up with the truth...
insanity, here we are
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Karlemil ma33ai • 2 days ago
Actually, if it is a "friendly fire accident" not in a war zone then they don't get a purple heart.
In this case the government should not have ruled it anything, not terrorism, work-place violence, or anything until after the trial.
Then if he is found quilty of treason, terrorism, virtually anything other than just plain murder, then the victims get the PH and such.
The government does have a point that calling it a terrorist act might result in a mistrial with no hope of a retrying of the case.
So maybe what we need to do is redefine the criteria for a PH since the war on terrorism (sorry, not an approved term anymore) has no front lines and thus no real "war zone". In a "war zone" they wouldn't have to wait for a determination of terrorism to award the medals and bene's to the families.
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Sharky66 David Ward • 2 days ago
Obama is in charge.
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jo Sharky66 • 2 days ago
Yes, the American Post Boy, sterling candidate of the Peter Principle in action. Idiocy elevated to its highest level of incompetence. He may be in charge ... but I'm not a herd animal & refuse to follow
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thestingisthetruth David Ward • 2 days ago
It isn't the military making these decisions. It is our commander (BAHAHAHAHAHAHA) in chief, as pathetic as he is.
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David Ward thestingisthetruth • 2 days ago
Who do you think he takes direction and advice on these matters from dude? They're cowards for advising him not to classify it in a manner that would be respectful to the memories of those killed, and in a manner that would assist those the victims left behind. our president is a coward fornot ovoverriding them. I didn't vote for obama either, but I tire of listening to alk the talking heads out there that want to lay every ailment including their moms bunions at his feet. As if the joint chiefs and their underlings have no input or direction. Give it a rest already. Our military has been treating its grunt soldiers like dispensible razors for decades. They cover it up by labeling all that would question the machine as unpatriotic. Pull your head out of your a $$ man
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jo David Ward • 2 days ago
Again, Mr. Ward ... ya nailed it
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Darwinism2012 • 3 days ago
Wow. As a proud and prior service active duty Marine I am so disappointed with our government for not taking care of these victims and their families. It's obvious to us all that this was an act of terrorism, it's way past time that our government treat it as such and give the victims the recognition that they and their families deserve.
It really makes me question Obama's motives and decision making abilities as he as shown us time after time that he's not a leader.
We need change more then ever now.
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Nodack Darwinism2012 • 3 days ago
Says you. Republicans murdered hundreds of thousands in Iraq, spent trillions and didnt mind sacrificing thousands of US servicemen for a war based on lies and fabrications.
Vote Republican again? Not in my lifetime.
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Darwinism2012 Nodack • 3 days ago
This is about the victims and their families of the terrorist act that happened at Fort Hood and the decisions made by our current regime about it period.
I agree with you about Iraq, but that discussion has already taken place.
Again, this is about the victims and their families of the terrorist act that took place at Fort Hood.
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Dustin Goldsen Darwinism2012 • 3 days ago
If you say he is a terrorist and that this was an act of war, then he becomes an enemy combatant. There goes the death penalty, there goes life in prison. When a war ends, prisoners of war go home.
Is that really what you want?
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Mike500 Dustin Goldsen • 3 days ago
Wrong. If it is an act of war and he is an enemy combatant, then he was an enemy combatant wearing a US uniform. That makes him a spy. It also is treason. Both punishable by death.
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jo Dustin Goldsen • 2 days ago
OH, I didn't realize THAT component of military law. No, no freedom for Hasan ... no death either. Death is a form of freedom, freedom from his paralysis, a Muslim martyr. Let him rot in captivity, never to be heard from again
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Sharky66 Dustin Goldsen • 2 days ago
Send him to GITMO.
But actually no, according to Geneva Conventions Al Qaeda, Taliban and other terrorist groups are unlawful combatants and do not constitute as POWs.
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Mike500 Nodack • 3 days ago
None of that is true. The vast majority of deaths in Iraq were Sunni vs. Shia violence, not US forces. And the number is less than 200,000. We have spent not quite $1.5 trillion on both wars, not 'trillions'. The 9/11 Commission report found no lies or fabrications. Try using the truth for once in your miserable life.
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Lily Hyatt Mike500 • 2 days ago
LOL The 911 commission as there reports & findings is pure fabrication ! As has proven in past 12 years ...... We are still await the truth today !
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Mike500 Lily Hyatt • 2 days ago
It was a bipartisan commission. The Democrats on the commission had nothing to gain from lying. The report was not flattering, but stopped short of saying there were out right lies.
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Lily Hyatt Mike500 • 2 days ago
Misleading & outright Bs It was it was !
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Mike500 Lily Hyatt • 2 days ago
It is a comprehensive investigation into the events leading to 9/11 and was expanded to cover the events leading to the Iraq War. Just because you don't agree with the conclusions of people who had access to far more information than you or I, that doesn't make it BS.
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Sharky66 Nodack • 2 days ago
Way to stay on topic. *rolling my eyes*
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ThisJustIn4U Darwinism2012 • 3 days ago
Congress controls spending and the tea trolls control Congress. Your beef is with them, not the President.
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Sharky66 ThisJustIn4U • 2 days ago
*falling over laughing* Congress = House of Reps + Senate. GOP control House of Reps, DEMS control Senate. You are not up to par with politics are you.
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MACVSOG • 3 days ago
Shoua, I want to commend you on your immense courage. Also please convey to Chor a heartfull "thank you" for his actions in Laos, as well as the rest of the Hmongs who courageously stood beside us Americans and fought a common enemy ! Extremely tough and trust worthy fighters. Shoua, you made one statement that sticks with me, ""The government makes so many promises, but cannot keep them." THAT is so true ! Even in 1970 in the Army, in SE Asia, my government did exactly the same to American Citizens and after returning, reneged on those promises ! Such small promises for the sacrifices that were made and yet, we were forgotten . I know how you must feel, I have felt that pain and unfortunately it never completely goes away.
I too am appalled at how such obvious terror in the name of islam, is being considered "work place violence". That is contrary to all common sense. I believe it to be more political and pathetically so. You have every right as an American, who has lost so much to be angry, this is NOT how many Americans want our Country to be run. Personally, if I had the means, there would NOT be a single returning soldier to be in a position that suicide looks better than life, there would NOT be any surviving family with financial issues, there would ALWAYS be assistance to those who have given and lost so much. I Pray constantly that stories such as yours don't happen, unfortunately they are happening and it hurts me that I for one can't help.
PLEASE, as you move forward, "know this" YOU and your family, are in the Prayers of millions of Americans, please don't ever loose hope that things won't get better, they eventually do, please keep the faith.
Ms. Basu if possible, please forward this posting to Ms. Shoua . If a moderator, please forward to Ms. Basu. This surviving family, needs to know, that there are Americans that support her and all the rest of our military in their struggles. I wish I could do more.
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Jenn Nicole Hunt MACVSOG • 2 days ago
I know Shoua, i will forward it to her just in case, but she is on her way to Ft.Hood to testify this week so it might be a bit before she can read it.
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MACVSOG Jenn Nicole Hunt • 2 days ago
Thank you. I had lots of friends of mine, soldiers that served in South East Asia, some made it back standing, some lateral, some never made it back and we and they had NO support coming back, the families were left with nothing, not even the American public's support. I KNOW how that feels. I hope Shoua does realize there are many Americans that Pray she gets the support she needs. This should not even be a question about helping survivor's families, who have sacrificed so much. It makes me sick. There is another voice who should hear her story, which is the same as so many families and those who have committed suicide, that is Bill OReilly on Fox news. He is directly responsible for the track chairs for all vets that need them as well as millions of dollars for veterans. I can't speak for him, but he should hear her story. He is my age, the Vietnam age, he knows of some of the sacrifices made by so many natives in helping Americans in country, so her story may resonate, with her husband's family history. Please have her write him, it couldn't hurt. He might be able to embarrass the officials enough to take action. I wish I had the ability to help, I Pray she gets it. Thanks again.
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yuripelham • 3 days ago
The most outrageous story of the year. A betrayal by our government which is unforgivable. But there's a pattern . We are involved in grossly mismanaged wars which we lose. Returning veterans injured and disabled are treated in a negligent manner. The military suicide rate is scandalous and the management of the intraservice rapes worse than horrible.
Given this environment it is strongly recommended no one join the military . The soldiers' worst enemy is the US government. This is an undeniable fact.
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ThisJustIn4U yuripelham • 3 days ago
Congress controls spending and tea trolls control Congress. Not too hard to figure out who's responsible.
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anna • 8 hours ago
This is clearly a terrorist act, and those injured and killed should be given full honors and benefits. It is an embarrassment to the US military leadership that they allowed a terrorist into their ranks, but that is a separate issue. The families of these fallen heroes should not be penalized for the stupidity of their leadership.
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gurney halleck • 3 days ago
So this muslim coward thought to do the USA harm. He killed people, destroyed lives and families and was taken down by a Woman. Defending islam and the Demon allah... Insanity of the religious doomed. Just kill him.
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Dustin Goldsen gurney halleck • 3 days ago
If we just kill him, then we have given up our fundamental values and the terrorist have won.
Remember this battle is not about territory, its about values. Radicles are saying our values are wrong, and theirs are right. If we just start killing people without due process, they win.
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Jenn Nicole Hunt gurney halleck • 2 days ago
He was not taken down by a woman, she is not the one that shot him. Todd was the one that took him down.
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brooklyn15 • 9 hours ago
Obama needs to stop lying to the American people and call it like it is "A TERRORIST ATTACK ON AMERICA". Let our troops and families have what they deserve in bennefits.
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jacalder • 2 days ago
The PC politics at the DOD is what killed the 13 brave soldiers at Ft Hood. Hasan was preaching jihad and trying to convert soldiers. The only reason he wasn't kicked out was the fact he was 1 of 2 Muslim psychiatrists in the Army. If he'd been an evangelical preaching the bible and telling gay soldiers to repent, he'd be kick out of the army. But he was telling his co-workers Muslims' first priority was to Islam and they were obligated to kill the infidels. So they kept him in. The DOD couldn't look prejudice against Muslims.
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disqus_KsT1fg4XI3 • 3 days ago
This was not classified as an act of terrorism because the Obama administration knew that doing so would harm his chances of reelection.
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Castamere Rains disqus_KsT1fg4XI3 • 3 days ago
He knew it would harm his "counterterrorism" record. To save face, he called it a workplace incident, even though Hasan had ties to al-Awlaki and his behavior was continually questioned by his command.
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ThisJustIn4U disqus_KsT1fg4XI3 • 3 days ago
The DoD made this determination so they could seek the death penalty; President Obama was not involved on the decision. Your beef is with the DoD.
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Sharky66 ThisJustIn4U • 2 days ago
Calling him a terrorist would still be death penalty. Geneva Conventions do not protect Islamic terrorists as they are seen as unlawful combatants not POWs. Obama cannot pronounce Anwar Al-Awlaki a terrorist, have him droned down, a US citizen killed without due process and deem Hasan, tied to Al-Awlaki not a terrorist.
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jez disqus_KsT1fg4XI3 • 2 days ago
Hey Mr. Short-Term-Memory - George W started this insane war, because "Saddam tried to kill my daddy". Seriously?? All of these Americans killed and maimed for a Bush personal vendetta.
You republicans have no short term memory.
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disqus_KsT1fg4XI3 jez • 2 days ago
I'm not a Republican. Take the time to read President Bushs book Decision Points. It explains the reasons he decided we should invade Iraq.
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Plynthe Jiblleton disqus_KsT1fg4XI3 • 3 days ago
Get air in your bunker.
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Mike Dunn disqus_KsT1fg4XI3 • 3 days ago −
Yeah, I voted for Obama because he didn't call Ft. Hood terrorism.
Idiot.
Is that true? I'm pretty sure I pay more in taxes than you even make in a year. So the next time some idiot in your family gets unemployment, you can come back here and thank me.
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Sharky66 Mike Dunn • 2 days ago
Uh I guess you forgot the whole "Obama is on the run, nearly decimated, defeated, etc etc" yet we just closed what 22-23 embassies and consulates????/
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Mike Dunn Sharky66 • 2 days ago
What does that inarticulate non-sequitur have to do with the situation at hand? What does your first sentence even try to convey? On the run from who? Decimated/defeated by what?
Literacy rates and reading comprehension ability from people like you is severely lacking.
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Nodack disqus_KsT1fg4XI3 • 3 days ago
If you say so. It would make zero difference to me.
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jack1970 • 2 days ago
Just another case of p---- poor leadership from our commander in chief. And would bet that Hillary will say it just don't matter.
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NaotaChanel • 2 days ago
Obama calls it "workplace violence", and doesn't say one negative thing about Hasan.
Yet . . obama called the Florida preacher who burned a book that he bought, a "hate monger", "vile", "disgusting", and a "bigot"
Why didn't obama call Hasan "vile", or "hate monger", or "disgusting"?
Hasan murdered 13 people and shot 32.
Obama is a vile, disgusting traitor.
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rain NaotaChanel • 2 days ago
YES, Obama is a vile, disgusting traitor.
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corilia • 2 days ago
The fact that he was in the military and killed fellow servicemen makes him guiltyof treason and theshouting of Allah Akbar and the shooting just shows he was never a true American.
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RawPups corilia • 2 days ago
I am certainly not defending this man's violent and deplorable actions. But the second part of your comment is patently ridiculous and offensive-- "true Americans" can be Muslim, you know. Bigots are the ones who are not "true Americans."
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corilia RawPups • 2 days ago
First of all I didn't say Muslims couldn't be true Americans I was only talking about him. And further more he us not the first American Muslim to betray his country.that Fasil guy in newyork city became.American then tried to bomb times square so there you have it
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Mike500 RawPups • a day ago
He admitted that he 'switched sides' in the trial. Muslim or not, a true American doesn't switch sides.
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Dirge13 • 2 days ago
Absolutely nauseating. We shower people who have done nothing constructive for this country, their communities or their families with tax payer funded welfare, and yet these people languish after their families lay insurmountable sacrifices at the altar. Mr. President, as the Commander In Chief, you should be ashamed. Instead of squatting to line up your putt, you should be kneeling before this woman and asking her how you, as HER president, can work to make this awful situation better.
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crs • 2 days ago
Why wont Obama call this an act of terrorism? Maybe because he has an affinity for muslims and would rather upset some stupid americans (his possible thoughts), than fellow muslims. Its possible he sympathizes with the "Islamic Struggle", after all, he did bow to the saudi king a few months after taking office....
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jacalder crs • 2 days ago
Why make the story out about a Muslim jihadist when the media can instead harp on and on about PTSD and the stress of war. After the Ft Hood shooting, the media went into overdrive hyping how all these soldiers are ticking timebombs because of combat stress. That's the message Obama and the Dems want out there- not that they ignored the Muslim shrink talking to known terrorists.
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occupoo • 2 days ago
Hasan is getting his full pay still. The dead soldiers families are getting nothing because Obama wants to classify this as work place violence. Obama is a disgrace. If Obama was white and a Republican the liberals would be going crazy right now.
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rain occupoo • 2 days ago
Yes Obama is evil, BUT Obama is not any worse than the people who voted for him.. The people who vote for Democrats WANT Democrats to do these evil things. Because the US allows the people to vote for these evil things , and the people do vote for these evil things, the American people deserve these things to happen at an increasing frequency. Wide arrays of disasters are coming to the USA.
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Guest occupoo • 2 days ago
I wouldn't doubt if Hassan made the "Colonel" boards this summer
Obama seems to promote anti-American behavior with promotion
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hermelinda cordero • 3 days ago
I'm not surprised by the military reaction. The united states military takes everything while they can. As soon as the service member and their families need help the army has no problem turning their backs on the them. The government takes and takes from our brave men and women serving this country. The least they could do is give the families of the fallen Soldiers the benefits they earned. I wish all the families good luck, and I will definitely have them in my prayers.
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croaton999 • 2 days ago
This is what the politicians are really worried about....
"The Department of Defense and the FBI collectively had sufficient information to have detected Major Hasan's radicalization to violent Islamist extremism, but they failed to act effectively on the many red flags signaling that he had become a potential threat," said Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine.
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CactusThorn croaton999 • 2 days ago
There were some concerns that the military was reluctant to pursue Hasan for political correctness reasons.
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croaton999 CactusThorn • a day ago
The military follows orders. Where do you suppose those orders came from?
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TheOtherCarlosDanger • 2 days ago
They were betrayed. By this president and his administration.
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booseyboo • 2 days ago
Hassan said "he acted to defend America's enemies and considers himself a mujahid, or warrior of Islam, and that he shot the soldiers to defend the Taliban.."
Why would it not be classified as an act or terrorism?
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Bob Johnson booseyboo • 2 days ago
Because oboma says he has terrorism on the run so it can't be terrorism.
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Jim booseyboo • 2 days ago
Because Obama supports terrorism
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rmf141 booseyboo • 2 days ago
Actually, this sounds very clearly like treason to me.
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jb226 • 2 days ago
As I read this, I was trying to decide if this should be called terrorism since that is a central issue. Then I realized it doesn't really matter.
What's clear is that Major Hassan went over to the enemy. We are at war in Afghanistan, and he was working to further the interests of our enemy. For ten minutes, he turned our own army base into a battlefield.
I don't care what we call it, but these deaths and injuries should be treated identically to any other battlefield injury. Of course they should be eligible for purple hearts, and whatever goes along with them.
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rmf141 jb226 • 2 days ago
In his opening statements, Hasan defined himself as a traitor. Treason in time of war is "punishable by death or such other penalty as a Court Martial may direct." He essentially confessed to and pleaded guilty to treason. Time to pass sentence.
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combatkelly • 2 days ago
The fact that this is still considered an act of Workplace Violence by the Obama administration is an affront to every man and woman wearing the uniform of this Great Nation.
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CactusThorn combatkelly • 2 days ago
Obama cannot bring himself, or his administration, to say anything that might upset Muslims. He would rather 'protect' Muslims than the American military personnel killed and injured by this Muslim terrorist. Disgraceful!
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combatkelly CactusThorn • 2 days ago
He is a National disgrace . It is amazing that people are so blind they refuse to accept it.
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scopedope combatkelly • 2 days ago
Obama doesn't know what wearing the uniform is. He never served, not for even a day! He is $cumbag in Chief!
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Guest combatkelly • 2 days ago
would love to see Obama go through Marine Boot Camp
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combatkelly Guest • 2 days ago
He wouldn't last the first day at the Reception Center.
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Guest combatkelly • 2 days ago
He couldn't pass the background security checks
to even get in
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jake • 2 days ago
If the Fort Hood shooting was workplace violence, The Boston Marathon Bombing was a pressure cooker device malfunction, and 9/11 was pilot error.
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Ken The Pirate jake • 2 days ago
Think of it this way. By claiming work place violence they can try it as a death penalty case and execute him.
If they called it terrorism, they would have to try him as an enemy combatant and he would just sit in Gitmo for 30 or 40 years.
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jake Ken The Pirate • 2 days ago
I get it. This all needs to be wrapped up and DOD needs to make an effort of publicly awarding benefits to those effected as soon as there's a conviction. It's frustrating after so long.
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Ken The Pirate jake • 2 days ago
Personally, I think this person should have been on death row two years ago. The silly wrangling over his beard and his mental state and the sorry you're in a wheelchair just added pain to the survivors and made the Army look even more foolish.
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freedomliberty13 • 2 days ago
In ObamaLand, it's more important to use language to obfuscate the truth than it is to acknowledge reality and fix REAL problems. Terrorist attacks in the Homeland become "workplace violence" (because Obama's numbers must show NO terrorism on his watch); "terrorism" itself has "disappeared" to be replaced by "man-made disasters" (so he can show he's "eliminated terrorism"); Obama has ended all "war" by just renaming it "overseas contingency operations" or "kinetic military action;" "govt spending" is now "investment;" funneling public money to unions that supported his election is called "building infrastructure;" sending taxpayer dough to campaign bundlers is now called "investing in green technology" (like the $500M given to the bundler who ran bankrupt Solyndra). Those brave vets from Ft. Hood who should be receiving benefits based on being in battle are nothing to our Dear Leader. Avoiding blame through semantics is EVERYTHING to him. As Stalin once famously said: "when you make an omlet, you have to 'break eggs.'
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Poster9 freedomliberty13 • 2 days ago
Obama uses such terms knowing a huge percentage of his voters won't understand their meaning. Yet the ignorant ones, of which there are many, will continue to blindly back him.
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croaton999 Poster9 • 2 days ago
Unconditionally.
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Poster9 croaton999 • 2 days ago
well done
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guest Poster9 • 2 days ago
definitely. They are embarrassed and controlled by big words and obscure phrases spoken from a stage. High school dropouts vote 2 to 1 for democrats.All other education based demographic sectors vote close to 50-50.
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Donna Coles Poster9 • 2 days ago
And who do you back those that broke unions thus decreasing workers wages for the last 30+ years, or those closing health care facilities as they deny constitutional rights to women using code word killing babies ; and the services provided r medical less than 10% r to terminate pregnancies, or to deny the right to vote our most fundamental right in a democracy. Or maybe it's the party that believes gerrymandering is fair representation or corporation's are people thus destroying our election process. Double speak has been going on since the beginning of our Nation
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Angie Vicky • 7 hours ago
The administration is making things worse for these families by categorizing this shooting as a workplace incident and not a terrorist attack. It seems the rights of the killer are more important than those of the victims.
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Soulphoenix • 8 hours ago
The victims have every right to feel betrayed, because they WERE. Meanwhile, this Admin kowtows to the terrorist's requests and KEEPS PAYING HIM A SALARY. You can't make up this kind of cold, unfeeling stupidity.
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reaganlives4ever • 8 hours ago
Of course they are betrayed. A socialist who despises the military is president. Zero was a practicing muslim. He refuses to call this terror, its a work place violence case. Zerobama is the last guy anyone should expect decency, honor or understanding when it comes to military families and their sacrifices.
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james727272 • 9 hours ago −
This was swept under the rug faster than the Obama's administrations deleting of Benghazi emails.
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Our Military, both active duty and retired, has nothing but contempt for the Commander in Chief.
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ed bovinexcremt • 9 hours ago
that is a load
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alpcats ed • 9 hours ago
ed,
you sir are one grade A x$$hole, you should be ashamed.
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bovinexcremt ed • 9 hours ago
Yep. Load of truth.
Over 90% hate Obama's guts.
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ed bovinexcremt • 9 hours ago
so you spoke with 100% to make this deduction ? m0r0n
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bovinexcremt ed • 9 hours ago
Haji much?
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laboxter407 • 2 days ago
Other news organizations have been reporting on the outrageous denial of benefits, so Obama could avoid the T-word, for YEARS. I guess it's better late than never for CNN. Pffft...
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leitskev • 2 days ago
If he had been a member of a right wing militia, this would have been called terror right away. Is there one liberal here who doubts that? The only reason this was NOT called terror, ironically enough, is because Hasan yelled Allahu Akbar. The logic of liberals.
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mkd • 2 days ago
God bless the survivors and family members. Our hearts and prayers go out to you. I hope the Army eventually provides the benefits you so rightly deserve.
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Softship mkd • 2 days ago
I'm sure they will - as soon as the trial is over.
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jez • 2 days ago
"They learned that authorities had failed to respond to red flags about Hasan's Islamist beliefs. "----------------
I'm a democrat, but not too liberal. We need to stop this PC business. Sometimes, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck. This jerk was just another terrorist.
I wish this family and those other families that were broken apart by this creep the best.
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The_AF_Chief • 2 days ago
There is no honor in this country any more. Even our military foresakes their own.
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exemptfromobamacare • 10 hours ago
Obama is the one who should be labeled a terrorist...
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PSAGuy exemptfromobamacare • 10 hours ago
Still can't get past that loss in November huh ? Time to move on. Some professional help might be the ticket.
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exemptfromobamacare PSAGuy • 10 hours ago
Again, Americans get killed and OhDumbBo can care less...
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Jeff Williams exemptfromobamacare • 10 hours ago
Is everything bad that happens Obama's fault? Good Lord man, get a grip!
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PSAGuy exemptfromobamacare • 10 hours ago
Yeah...just as I thought. Gotta move on after a loss. Can't dwell on it.
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exemptfromobamacare PSAGuy • 10 hours ago
Americans do not just move on when other Americans are murderd..
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oldleftcoastdude exemptfromobamacare • 10 hours ago
"Murdered."
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disqus_A7m6jzM4Z0 • a day ago
They should feel betrayed because they actually were.
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CactusThorn disqus_A7m6jzM4Z0 • a day ago
Yup!
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tnbadboy • 2 days ago
I find it despicable that our government is still calling this work place violence. They have basically spit in the face of every soldier who has faught for this country. As a former 82nd Airborne soldier no matter what else this administration does it must reclassify this as terrorism.
The soldiers who lost their lives and their families deserve nothing less than to be honored for their service and their families to receive all benefits they deserve.
It is shameful the way the shooter is being treated compared to the victims.
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croaton999 tnbadboy • 2 days ago
I guess they couldn't call it the result of a stupid internet video again.
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Ken The Pirate tnbadboy • 2 days ago
Think of it this way. By claiming work place violence they can try it as a death penalty case and execute him.
If they called it terrorism, they would have to try him as an enemy combatant and he would just sit in Gitmo for 30 or 40 years.
But the way the survivors and family are being treated is the same despicable way we have treated veterans since the end of the Korean war.
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Softship tnbadboy • 2 days ago
Can't you wait for the trial to be over?
It doesn't make sense to jeapardize the outcome of the trial by prematurely declaring it a "terrorist attack".
If the fools hadn't wasted so much time with the beard issue, it would already be a done deed.
Anyway, when it is over and all the evidence in, it will be declared a terrorist act and the families will get the relief they need.
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McBob79 • 3 days ago
Hasan is a Muslim terrorist and the only ones who doubt it are the media and democrats.
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1800silver • 2 days ago
Yes we can! Yes we can lie to the American Public, make false promises, lie about hope and change, while we vacation in mansions, travel through Africa, receive visits from our Muslim Brotherhood, divide the races of America, and write more autobiographies. Yes we can lie and never be held accountable, for we are the Obamas, the Bidens, the Pelosis, the Rieds, the Democrat party!
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Richard Snyder 1800silver • 2 days ago
It doesn't matter who's in office. Republicans, democrats, the Obama's, Clinton's, Bush's. They don't care about you. All you are is a vote and that's it, a vote. There are people in Washington who have the power and influence, and who are far more powerful than the president. And it doesn't matter who wins. Both parties are influenced by these people. It's a great big private club, and we are not in it......
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Rnbsnlsu Richard Snyder • 2 days ago
You got that right...1800 Silver is too blind to see that...Its all of them...it seems the Extremists Muslims are the only ones that can stick together
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occupoo 1800silver • 2 days ago
Rain, you're a gay Muslim dog lover aren't you?
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rain 1800silver • 2 days ago
American people deserve to be treated that way. But it breaks both ways, unemployment is very. high about certain Democrats. They don't deserve jobs. Security and prosperity are leaving the US
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Silverkl 1800silver • 2 days ago
There is no Santa. There is no al queda. You will not get coal in your stocking, you will not be blown up...if you do..you had the same changes of a lottery.
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Jenn Nicole Hunt Silverkl • 2 days ago
Who will not be blown up? i know tons of people that have been blown up! It's not as rare as you'd like to think and it CAN happen to you!
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Softship Jenn Nicole Hunt • 2 days ago
"Tons of people"... r-i-i-i-ght.
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Jenn Nicole Hunt Softship • 2 days ago
I am a MILITARY WIDOW, so YES, I know TONS of people that have been blown up. Majority of my friends' husbands. Thank you very much.
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Softship Jenn Nicole Hunt • a day ago
Sorry for your loss.
"TONS" - how many thousands of pounds of people was that?
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mommers • 9 hours ago
President BO treats the murderous muslim with more respect than the dead soldiers and their families. Disgraceful!
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Don Lee • 10 hours ago
"As commander-in-chief, there's no greater honor but also no greater responsibility for me than to make sure that the extraordinary men and women in uniform are properly cared for," Obama said after the shootings. So Mr.Obama, why aren't you living up to your promise?
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Th1rdeye RS50 • 2 days ago
I'm so glad liberals are importing terrorists and then making sure they can join our military, makes ya feel all warm and cozy at night.
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Dave Dawkins Th1rdeye RS50 • 2 days ago
Not that you'll grasp this, but Hassan wasn't "imported" He was born here.
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Th1rdeye RS50 Dave Dawkins • 2 days ago
ya he looks like a real all American
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Dave Dawkins Th1rdeye RS50 • 2 days ago
Looks mean nothing. The traitor was born in this country.
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Th1rdeye RS50 Dave Dawkins • 2 days ago
So in your libbaby brain, even though he hitched a ride here from terrorist spawning countries, that's completely irrelevant right?
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combatkelly Dave Dawkins • 2 days ago
Imported swine bear and raise imported piglets. Same freakin mentality .
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ObamaAgenda • 2 days ago
Obama's Reign of Incompetence has been such a failure that history will call Obama's kid of Democrat an Obama Democrat which means racism, incompetence, lies, and coverups.
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Ken The Pirate ObamaAgenda • 2 days ago
You might have a hard tome starting anything. Everyone has left for now.
Was pretty lively earlier.
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Kazz • 8 hours ago
OMG, ALL the victims were attacked by a terrorist, the survivors and their families should receive medals and the highest level of support possible.
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croaton999 • 2 days ago
Everybody knows that this was the result of a stupid internet video.{Sarcasm}
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L M Carson • 2 days ago
It is my understanding that the federal government paid for Maj. Hassan's medical education and that his many overt declarations of loyalty to radical Islamic "projects" were either ignored or excused. The Defense Department's declaration that this is "workplace violence" is stupid and indefensible. Hassan's opening defense statement that he was the "shooter" should have been enough to cause the judge to declare his not guilty plea negated and rule that he was now pleading guilty and go straight to sentencing. This trial is a farce and a poor example of American justice system.
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croaton999 L M Carson • 2 days ago
It's embarrassing.
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