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298 killed in airliner shoot down, likely by Russian backed forces July 17, 2014 Malaysian MH17 777 Airliner Shot Down Over Ukraine A Malaysian Boeing 777 crashed after being shot down at cruise altitude of 33,000 ft by a sophisticated Buk SA-11 missile system, killing all 283 passengers and 15 crew aboard. Western sources believe it was fired by pro-Russian separatists using equipment and training by Russians. Russians and pro-Russian Americans have promoted various conspiracy theories similar to MH-370 stories centered on Diego Garcia and the CIA/Mossad to cover up their involvement, some blaming the Ukraine government for trying to shoot down a plane they thought had Putin aboard, possibly with an SU-25 attack jet which is too slow to shoot down an airliner at cruise altitude, or suspecting that Israel, Kiev and the US benefited by the shoot down by giving an excuse to harm Russia.
Russia blames the Ukraine for fighting a war, and rebels blamed the Ukraine government, while conspiracy theorists blamed it on a Israeli F-15. Most western analysts pointed to Russian backed rebels after they bragged about shooting down a Ukranian military plane and posted a video of the crash before it was known to be an airliner. An alleged conversation with a Russian officer shows distress when they discuss that it was an airliner that was shot down. Although the rebels were not known to possess such weaponry, a tracked missile launcher was photographed in a rebel-controlled city near the crash site, and was filmed on the back of a truck, apparently headed back to Russia.
Conspiracy theories
- American Conservative Russia & The Fate Of KAL 007 Malaysian Airlines 17 t if the Russians shot down the airliner themselves, we’re dealing with KAL 007 all over again. If either scenario proves out, then Putin’s recklessness is reprehensible. even if the Russians merely provided the separatists with the missiles — then Moscow must be made to pay a heavy price by the international community.
- Veterans Today (USA/PressTV) blames Israel F-15 for 777 shootdown
- Oriental Review (Russia) - who shot down the plane blames Ukraine government missile operator error
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- Mashable Field of death: Unraveling the mystery of MH17
- photo, apparently backing up the State Department’s claim, shows a vapor trail in the same area
- the U.S. State Department says it has determined that a missile, launched near Snizhne about 20 miles southeast of the crash site, brought down the plane
- Officials also release a grainy black-and-white photograph supposedly showing the missile's path and corroborating it was launched from an area near Snizhne.
- Buk is spotted again same flatbed trailer as before. headed east toward Luhansk, a city on the Russian border. One of its missiles is missing.
- "A plane has just been downed somewhere around Torez," an infamous and brutal rebel commander named Igor “Strelkov” Girkin writes on his VK.com account, Russia's version of Facebook. "We did warn you: do not fly in our sky."
- Wikipedia Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 A scheduled international passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down by a surface-to-air missile on 17 July 2014 near Hrabove in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, about 40 km (25 mi) from the Ukraine–Russia border. All 283 passengers and 15 crew members on board the Boeing 777-200ER aircraft were killed
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July 17, 2014 Veterans Today blames Israel F-15 for 777 shootdown It is reasonable to suggest that an Israeli plane was involved because we know they have the only clandestine capability within the region...we assume these as high probability: An aircraft was used, most likely an American built F15 because of range and capability. Azerbaijan was used because we know of clandestine bases there, which were confirmed by military officers who defected to Iran in 2013. We know Israel has some role, yet undefined, because they are spreading stories blaming Russia. As this is a second Malaysian Airlines plane to go down, we look for false stories regarding Israel and Malaysian planes
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Nikademus Lawman · Top Commenter · Expert Consultant at Geopolitical, Intelligence and Military Analyst
July 17, 2014 Oriental Review - who shot down the plane a battery of Buk antiaircraft missile systems of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was deployed near Donetsk. At present, another battery of the same missile systems is being loaded in Kharkiv. The aircraft flying at the altitude of more than 10 thousand meters might be hit only with weapons like S-300 or Buk. The militias don’t have such weapons, and cannot afford them. Russian military expert Igor Korotchenko argues that the catastrophe in Donetsk was most likely caused by the incompetence and non-professionalism of the Ukrainian operators of the Buk systems during its testing after the battery was deployed in the new location.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/.../investigators-expected-reveal-details-mh17-plane-crash-...
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[POSTED BEFORE THE GROUND INVASION] Been spamming this all over Facebook # hashtag for this event. Suggest others spread Duff's article the same or copy and paste the below.
WHY WAS THIS AIRPLANE FLYING OVER A WAR ZONE?
Israeli fingerprints all over this one. Israel had a twin 777-200 marked on a Tel Aviv tarmac when MH-370 went down. Now this, after Nuland and Robert Kagan's Israeli neocon outfits push the false Ukraine uprising in time for the Olympics to create a pipeline for the newly found Israeli-Cypriot gas fields.
Why now? They're committing a genocide against Palestine and it's a great distraction. So obvious.
http://www.dailypaul.com/
WHY WAS THIS AIRPLANE FLYING OVER A WAR ZONE?
Israeli fingerprints all over this one. Israel had a twin 777-200 marked on a Tel Aviv tarmac when MH-370 went down. Now this, after Nuland and Robert Kagan's Israeli neocon outfits push the false Ukraine uprising in time for the Olympics to create a pipeline for the newly found Israeli-Cypriot gas fields.
Why now? They're committing a genocide against Palestine and it's a great distraction. So obvious.
http://www.dailypaul.com/
Mark Leszkiewicz · Follow · Top Commenter · Addiction Studies/Social Work at Self
Really? The debris is still smoking and your already blaming Israel? Wow, this site really hates Jews and blames them for EVERYTHING...now, while I am not a big fan of Zionist brown boot tactics, isn't it short sighted to blame the Jews? Always the Jews? So any non-Jew is beyond reproach? Wow, might as well start going back to Alex Jones and his hate du jour
nvasion and continued genocide of Gaza and the Palestinian people. What a convenient distraction for Israel to continue its crimes. Another interesting fact, the Malaysian Airlines website today showed the Flight MH17 landed in Kuala Lumpur at 6:10 AM (April 18, 2014), approximately 10 minutes behind the scheduled arrival time.
Of course the alleged downing of another Malaysian Airline 777 is most likely a false flag attack by Israel and US intelligence to implicate Russia and/or pro-Russian separatist in Eastern Ukraine. My two previous articles on Veteranstoday.com discuss in detail the many anomalies of MH370 and the identical Malaysian Airline 777 that had been stored in Israel since November 2013.
My original theory was that the Malaysian Air 777 in Israel was probably going to be used in a potential false flag attack to implicate Iran. It looks like that plane may have now been possibly used to in a false flag attack to implicate Russia. Following are the links to my two previous Articles on VT.com relating to MH370 and an identical plane in Israel:
April 26, 2014, MH370 Evidence of a False Flag: http://
May 9, 2014, MH370 Additional Israeli Connections
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Of course the alleged downing of another Malaysian Airline 777 is most likely a false flag attack by Israel and US intelligence to implicate Russia and/or pro-Russian separatist in Eastern Ukraine. My two previous articles on Veteranstoday.com discuss in detail the many anomalies of MH370 and the identical Malaysian Airline 777 that had been stored in Israel since November 2013.
My original theory was that the Malaysian Air 777 in Israel was probably going to be used in a potential false flag attack to implicate Iran. It looks like that plane may have now been possibly used to in a false flag attack to implicate Russia. Following are the links to my two previous Articles on VT.com relating to MH370 and an identical plane in Israel:
April 26, 2014, MH370 Evidence of a False Flag: http://
May 9, 2014, MH370 Additional Israeli Connections
http://
Øyvind Randers-Pehrson · Follow · Top Commenter
Theres just about a dozen or more things wrong with the "Separatists shot down the plane" - line of reasoning. The plane is 10-12 kilometers up in the air (40.000 feet) - a rocket missile hitting an engine at that altitude - (the engine has the highest heat signature) - should have resulted in most of the fuel burning off as the wing exploded, as well as possibly some or most of the internal tanks, after and during which the body of the plane would be falling for several minutes in broad daylight, visible for miles around as the burning or at least smoking wreackage was tumbling out of the sky - yet not even a single bad cellphone-video has emerged - not even from the supposedly and allegedly "proud" 'separatists' themselves.
Furthermore: any advanced Russian missile system would contain the IFF system - international friend or foe - which the Eastern Ukraine _Federalists_ would have to have disabled - how they would have the knowledge and expertise to do that one can only wonder... and lastly one has to ask: what the hell was European Civil Avaiation Authorities THINKING??? Letting or even allowing civilian aircraft pass through airspace where several planes have already been shot down throughout the past weeks and months??? When do these jokers know what a WAR _is_ ???
Furthermore: any advanced Russian missile system would contain the IFF system - international friend or foe - which the Eastern Ukraine _Federalists_ would have to have disabled - how they would have the knowledge and expertise to do that one can only wonder... and lastly one has to ask: what the hell was European Civil Avaiation Authorities THINKING??? Letting or even allowing civilian aircraft pass through airspace where several planes have already been shot down throughout the past weeks and months??? When do these jokers know what a WAR _is_ ???
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Ukraine wants NATO troops, and Britain - UN military sanctions. Ukrainians downed airliner - an occasion for a big war
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Ukraine wants NATO troops, and Britain - UN military sanctions. Ukrainians downed airliner - an occasion for a big war Adviser of Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Zorian Shkiryak urges NATO to immediately start a ground operation in eastern Ukraine after the fall of the Malaysian Boeing.
"The United States should immediately provide us with modern weapons and air support, and NATO - to start a ground military operation," - wrote Shkiryak on his page on facebook.
UK considers it necessary to hold an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council on the situation in Ukraine after the east crashed passenger plane "Malaysian airlines." Told reporters the United Kingdom Permanent Representative to the UN Mark Lyall Grant.
On board the plane Boeing-777 were 280 passengers and 15 crew members - all of whom died.
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Ukraine wants NATO troops, and Britain - UN military sanctions. Ukrainians downed airliner - an occasion for a big war
Today, 21:50 | Category: Events, Events, Events, Events
6012345
Views: 2797
Ukraine wants NATO troops, and Britain - UN military sanctions. Ukrainians downed airliner - an occasion for a big war Adviser of Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Zorian Shkiryak urges NATO to immediately start a ground operation in eastern Ukraine after the fall of the Malaysian Boeing.
"The United States should immediately provide us with modern weapons and air support, and NATO - to start a ground military operation," - wrote Shkiryak on his page on facebook.
UK considers it necessary to hold an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council on the situation in Ukraine after the east crashed passenger plane "Malaysian airlines." Told reporters the United Kingdom Permanent Representative to the UN Mark Lyall Grant.
On board the plane Boeing-777 were 280 passengers and 15 crew members - all of whom died.
Central News Agency Novorossia
Oleg Finodeyev · Top Commenter · Rancho Santa Margarita, California
1. Malaysian "Boeing" has been led into the territory of the DNI consciously shift the course of its conclusions on the territory of the HPT are obviously intentional. Frauds route "Boeing" are identical with the well-known South Korean provocation "Boeing", which the Americans brought in Soviet airspace in 1983, after which he was shot down.
2. "Boeing" only worked with Ukrainian managers - Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk, it was there and it was organized by the displacement of the corridor north of the usual route. Russia or militia could not send it to the conflict zone.
3. "Boeing" was accompanied by two Air Force plane junta (a discrepancy - some sources write about the Su-25, the other on the Su-27) one of them witnesses saw near the crash site, "Boeing" on outgoing Debalcevo. What happened to the 2nd plane is unknown, the observed two parachute near collapse "Boeing" may well belong to the Air Force pilots junta. A little earlier, there were unverified reports of downed Su-25 and AN-26, but no significant evidence of this. Shooters any statements about it officially did.
4. Spanish manager oversees the "Boeing" confirmed the presence of Ukrainian aircraft next to the "Boeing", as well as the fact of firing aircraft junta that he said confirmed and Ukrainian soldiers who claimed not to know exactly who ordered (hence the version went on Kolomoysky and Avakov). Actually the fact of Ukrainian aircraft next to the "Boeing", the Spanish manager and evidence eyewitness disaster "Boeing" can reliably establish the guilty party.
5. How exactly was hit by "Boeing" before opening the "black boxes" set is unlikely to succeed - at the moment militia had found 8 out of 12. Among the versions in addition to the obvious - the shelling to-air missiles (as mentioned a number of American sources), there is collision version of "Boeing" aircraft with the junta, as well as voiced by the Russian media version that "Boeing" aircraft allegedly mixed with Putin. Just before the end of unclear 3 explosions in the air that the witness observed.
6. Regarding the version that the planes were shot down from the "Buck", show how physics calculations, even if fully militia led to a working state captured "Buk" (his current tactical combat power and position are unknown), trained and closed the account in his complex defense and deployed it in the area of snow-Torez, then "Boeing" would fall on Russian territory. But during the shelling of the Ukrainian "letter" (which is not small in the Donbass), "Boeing" just fell on the territory of the DNI.
In summary, there was clumsily worked provocation when a passenger "Boeing" knowingly sent (or from Kiev Dnepropetrovsk - yet to be defined) in the area of military conflict, where he proceeded, accompanied by two planes junta, then was destroyed (with high probability there in addition to "Boeing" has lost one plane, where actually took parachutes). Further information was launched pump mechanism with a view to accuse militias in the crash, which the junta special factory in the sky DNI. Online began to actively throw fakes, that the plane was shot down militias that we should introduce new sanctions against the Russian Federation and NATO troops begin typing.
The task is quite clear provocation - blame the militia and the Russian Federation and failed to break the emerging trends in the Donbas. Since provocation was made very clumsy and white threads sticking out everywhere (even on foreign resources is reasonable to suggest that the main culprits are sitting in Kiev), the effect of it in my opinion will be limited. As a maximum, the junta will try to squeeze out of this bad load provocation temporary respite to recover, after the disaster in the battles for Lugansk, Izvarino and Krasnodon.
2. "Boeing" only worked with Ukrainian managers - Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk, it was there and it was organized by the displacement of the corridor north of the usual route. Russia or militia could not send it to the conflict zone.
3. "Boeing" was accompanied by two Air Force plane junta (a discrepancy - some sources write about the Su-25, the other on the Su-27) one of them witnesses saw near the crash site, "Boeing" on outgoing Debalcevo. What happened to the 2nd plane is unknown, the observed two parachute near collapse "Boeing" may well belong to the Air Force pilots junta. A little earlier, there were unverified reports of downed Su-25 and AN-26, but no significant evidence of this. Shooters any statements about it officially did.
4. Spanish manager oversees the "Boeing" confirmed the presence of Ukrainian aircraft next to the "Boeing", as well as the fact of firing aircraft junta that he said confirmed and Ukrainian soldiers who claimed not to know exactly who ordered (hence the version went on Kolomoysky and Avakov). Actually the fact of Ukrainian aircraft next to the "Boeing", the Spanish manager and evidence eyewitness disaster "Boeing" can reliably establish the guilty party.
5. How exactly was hit by "Boeing" before opening the "black boxes" set is unlikely to succeed - at the moment militia had found 8 out of 12. Among the versions in addition to the obvious - the shelling to-air missiles (as mentioned a number of American sources), there is collision version of "Boeing" aircraft with the junta, as well as voiced by the Russian media version that "Boeing" aircraft allegedly mixed with Putin. Just before the end of unclear 3 explosions in the air that the witness observed.
6. Regarding the version that the planes were shot down from the "Buck", show how physics calculations, even if fully militia led to a working state captured "Buk" (his current tactical combat power and position are unknown), trained and closed the account in his complex defense and deployed it in the area of snow-Torez, then "Boeing" would fall on Russian territory. But during the shelling of the Ukrainian "letter" (which is not small in the Donbass), "Boeing" just fell on the territory of the DNI.
In summary, there was clumsily worked provocation when a passenger "Boeing" knowingly sent (or from Kiev Dnepropetrovsk - yet to be defined) in the area of military conflict, where he proceeded, accompanied by two planes junta, then was destroyed (with high probability there in addition to "Boeing" has lost one plane, where actually took parachutes). Further information was launched pump mechanism with a view to accuse militias in the crash, which the junta special factory in the sky DNI. Online began to actively throw fakes, that the plane was shot down militias that we should introduce new sanctions against the Russian Federation and NATO troops begin typing.
The task is quite clear provocation - blame the militia and the Russian Federation and failed to break the emerging trends in the Donbas. Since provocation was made very clumsy and white threads sticking out everywhere (even on foreign resources is reasonable to suggest that the main culprits are sitting in Kiev), the effect of it in my opinion will be limited. As a maximum, the junta will try to squeeze out of this bad load provocation temporary respite to recover, after the disaster in the battles for Lugansk, Izvarino and Krasnodon.
- Oleg Finodeyev · Top Commenter · Rancho Santa Margarita, California
LC: Boeing 777 was shot down by Ukrainian Su-25 aircraft
Malaysian Boeing 777 was shot down by a Ukrainian military aircraft SU-25. On this, as reported by RIA Novosti, said the press service of the LC.
July 17, 2014, 20:55
"Witnesses who watched the flight of the Boeing 777 passenger aircraft, watched him gunship attack on the Ukrainian Air Force. After that passenger plane split in two in the air and fell on the territory of the DNI. After the attack, Ukrainian bomber was shot down and fell on the territory of the LC in the Red Ray. At the moment we are searching for a downed aircraft, "- said in a statement.
Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/41304 # ixzz37m1UwwKU
Oleg Finodeyev · Top Commenter · Rancho Santa Margarita, California
Spanish manager, tweeted about the Ukrainian fighters accompanying downed Boeing, was removed from the web.
This is the freedom of speech in Western media. Perhaps he was very disturbed "impartial" investigation of the United States. And we are not surprised that even.
But what is more important. He along with his family last night had to flee from Ukraine. In order to avoid the violence, which required him to "colleagues" in Borispol!
Oleg Finodeyev · Top Commenter · Rancho Santa Margarita, California
Spanish manager Carlos, who led the Boeing-777, said in his microblog on Twitter, that a few minutes before the ship disappeared from radar near him were seen two Ukrainian fighter.
"Komsomolskaya Pravda" gives another tweet Manager: "When Boeing just disappeared from the radar, the Kiev authorities told us that he crashed. How could they find it so quickly?"
Carlos also writes that the military confirmed that the plane was shot down by the Ukrainian side. But who gave the order is unknown.
Source Vesti.ru
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Ann Diener · Follow · Top Commenter · Vista, California
I found this tweet that was pretty interesting "Malaysian passenger flight crash. ATC at Kiev airport says Kiev did this" https://twitter.com/Novorossiyan/statuses/ 489824816258904064The original profile it comes from this profile. https://twitter.com/ spainbuca I was wondering if he is the Air Traffic Controller or who was and reported it. Perhaps someone else reads Spanish better than I do?
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excerpts: Is this the smoking gun? Footage emerges of BUK missile launcher being smuggled back to Russia and missing TWO rockets
Expert believes that MH17 was downed by a missile fired from rebel-held Torez in eastern Ukraine
BUK launcher has been pictured rumbling into the town just two hours before the crash
Ukraine’s security agency, the SBU, has released recordings of intercepted phone calls
Claim they prove Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by a group of Russian-backed Cossack militants
Neither recording — which allegedly includes a Russian military intelligence officer — could be independently verified
Laughing rebels filmed the plane as it crashed, gleefully bragging 'that was a blast – look at the smoke!'
Hillary Clinton said that there 'should be outrage in European capitals' over the downing of the airliner
Expert claims that pilot of MH17 'felt uncomfortable' about his route over Ukraine but diverted to hostile airspace
Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported the crash at 16.13 Moscow time - 'several minutes before the crash'
By JAMES NYE and SAM GREENHILL and TED THORNHILL
PUBLISHED: 22:00 EST, 17 July 2014 | UPDATED: 09:57 EST, 18 July 2014
expert believes that MH17 was downed by a missile fired from rebel-held Torez in eastern Ukraine - and a BUK anti-aircraft launcher has been pictured rumbling into the town just two hours before the crash, leading to speculation that it was this piece of equipment that was used to bring about the tragedy.
On Friday a missile launcher with two rockets missing was then filmed by Ukrainian intelligence services being smuggled on the back of a truck to Russia.
Anton Gerashchenko, from Ukraine's interior ministry, said of the missing missiles that 'it's not hard to guess why'.
Launch site? The BUK missile system photographed in Torez hours before MH17 was downed
Dr Igor Sutyagin, Research Fellow in Russian Studies from the Royal United Services Institute, believes evidence that Russian separatists were responsible was very strong - and that there's even a suggestion the BUK missile launcher was being manned by soldiers from Russia.
These separatists boasted on Twitter about capturing an BUK SA11 missile launcher [capable of downing high-flying airliners] on June 29, and several hours before the downing of the plane locals in Torez reported seeing BUK missile launchers and separatist flags around the city.
‘Later, there was lots of video posted of the plane falling down and rebels saying that “it was not pointless moving it [the BUK] there”.'
Dr Sutyagin then underscored the emerging Russian link to the tragedy.
He said: 'The military leader of the Donetsk Republic, Igor Strelkov, real name Girkin, a Muscovite, a Russian citizen, posts a video of the intercept.'
This video was taken down once it was discovered that the downed plane was civilian.
Dr Sutyagin said, that Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported the crash at 16.13 Moscow time, several minutes before the crash actually happened - at 16.20.
http://ninjapundit.blogspot.com/2014/07/malaysian-mh17-777-airliner-shot-down.html
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