tags: gordon duff, Jesse Ventura, jim w. dean, matthias Chang, nodisinfo.com, Paul Craig Roberts, Iran, Putin, Malaysia, Ron Paul, Veterans Today, Ron Unz
Sources: (All pro-Putin, pro-Iran, pro-Hamas)
- Corbett report MH17 Ukraine FALSE FLAG features Russian conspiracy theory that shot down by ukraine
- *Gordon Duff / Veterans Today - Israeli F-15
- Jessse Ventura - Offthegrid why is the plane flying over Ukraine? Why should US give money to Ukraine aid? Don't blame it on anybody until facts are in. US has done false flags before.
- Jim W. Dean US is politically exploiting recent plane crash over Ukraine- into "an orgy of exploitation" to put pressure on Russia.'
- Matthias Chang (Malaysia) Global Research Cover-Up Orchestrated by US and Britain
- *Michael Shrimpton shot down by the Ukrainian Army, the intent being to blame pro-Russian separatists.
- *New Eastern Outlook, Moscow
- Nodisinfo.com - the crash is a fake, never happened, just like Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon
- Paul Craig Roberts No Evidence Russia Did It. Washington's Ukranian Stooges Shot Down. What Happened to the Malaysian Airliner? a global propaganda campaign was mounted against Russia and President Putin which even influenced the Malaysian mass media which uncritically echoed this deceitful propaganda
- *Peter Haisenko - Germany MH-17 shot down by Ukraine 25mm guns
- *Ron Paul: Don't blame Putin "I don't think he would ever come close to participating in an act like this" America is to blame “What the Mainstream Media Won’t Report About Malaysian Airlines Flight 17.” Without US-sponsored ‘regime change,’ it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened.”
- Ron Unz republished Mike Whitney’s Counterpunch mysteries of Flight MH17, American Pravda: Who Shot Down Flight MH17 in Ukraine? AUGUST 14, 2014 confrontation with Russia over Ukraine, greatly accelerated by the death of almost 300 passengers aboard Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, shot down last month over Eastern Ukraine. western media unanimously placed the blame on anti-government rebels backed by Russia, and darkly insinuate that [hero] Russian President Vladimir Putin has the blood of those hundreds of innocent lives on his hands. ..stroke of fortune for the [villian] embattled Kiev government and its [villian] neoconservative American backers
- *Russia Today - tried to shoot down Putin's plane, was followed by Ukranian fighter
- Scott Creigton / Willyloman
- Veterans Today
*Debunk
- Could This Old Warplane Really Shoot Down MH17? | Popular Science Ukrainian Air Force Su-25 jet fighter fighter was at 33,000 feet, within 3 miles of MH17 probably shot down MH17. Russian media RT, Russian RIA Novosti, and Pravda.ru [and Corbett]) focusing a lot on Sukhoi Su-25 "Frogfoot" designed to support ground troops really shot down jetliner.. only fly 23,000 feet, well below MH17's 33,000 for anti-tank plane, that's not a problem, but it poses a challenge to theories that Ukraine used one to down an airliner. not just absurd that a Ukrainian Su-25 shot down the airliner, it's almost technically impossible.
7/31/2014
*Gordon Duff MH17: Another Israeli Cover Up?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/06/315291/
By Gordon Duff and New Eastern Outlook, Moscow
The latest disaster, one that has scrubbed Israel’s bizarre onslaught into Gaza off newspaper front pages, 298 dead, can be nothing but more than yet another cover up operation. Every news asset, every politico known to be a creature of the Israeli/organized crime nexus, has weighed in. Their every lie tells one story; “Israel did it.”
The facts tell another story, one of false flag terrorism. If only McCain and Tony Abbot, if only Fox and CNN, the Huffington Post and, worst of all, accused Israeli spy, Jane Harmon’s Daily Beast:
“Why would Putin want to shoot down a commercial airliner? And if it was an accident, why would Putin allow the separatists to have a weapon this powerful without having full control over how it was used?”
You couldn’t scream “Israel did it” any louder. It is almost embarrassing. There is nothing innocent about these utterly fabricated stories, particularly when the truth, a very different truth, is out there as well, substantiated, validated and verified.
QUE BONO?
Who would murder 298 people? Who benefits? Why would someone do this unless they had a plan, a plan and control of the media? This leaves one possibility, one name only behind the “shoot down” of MH 17.
Two stories are emerging, one where the Ukraine, aided by Israeli teams and a US/Israeli F 15 flying out of Azerbaijan, where Kiev air traffic control turned MH17 into banned air space, while this cabal of terrorists murdered 298 people. The BUK missile systems were caught by Russian satellites, the planes assisting were observed and the evidence in the massive wreckage is overwhelming.
There is a second story. This one involves the attempt, let by Assistant Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland and her husband, neocon political extremist John Kagan, both Israeli citizens, coordinating with the junta in Kiev, the cabal in Tel Aviv, armies of assets in Washington and New York, and pulling every trigger, Australia’s puppet Tony Abbott, the always mentally defective Senator John McCain along with the scum of world’s owned and blackmailed political world.
Both stories are much the same, false flag terror and the belief, perhaps correct in its underestimation of the moral courage of world leaders, that if the controlled press tells a lie enough, no politician will stand against the onslaught.
After all, hadn’t Israel just murdered three of their own, blamed Hamas without a shred of evidence, and begun massive collective punishment and now a full scale invasion and not one word is said about it?
*Michael Shrimpton shot down by the Ukrainian Army, the intent being to blame pro-Russian separatists.
MH17 Shootdown Continues
- It is now clear that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was shot down over Eastern Ukraine, near Grabovo, by the Ukrainian Army, the intent being to blame pro-Russian separatists.
The MH17 Shoot Down over Ukraine
- “At this time my provisional conclusion is that MH17 was shot down by an air defense battery of the Ukrainian army, from Ukrainian territory.”
*Peter Haisenko - Germany MH-17 shot down by Ukraine 25mm guns
MH-17 shot down by Ukraine 25mm guns
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/31/germans-say-mh17-shot-down-by-ukie-migs/
(pro-russian pro-Iran propaganda)
By Peter Haisenko Zur deutschen Version bitte hier anklicken
The tragedy of Malaysian MH 017 continues to elude any light of clarity being cast over it. The flight recorders are in England and are evaluated. What can come of it? Maybe more than you would assume. Especially the voice recorder will be interesting when you look at the picture of a cockpit fragment. As an expert in aviation I closely looked at the images of the wreckage that are circulating on the Internet.
So what could have happened? Russia recently published radar recordings, that confirm at least one Ukrainian SU 25 in close proximity to MH 017. This corresponds with the statement of the now missing Spanish controller ‘Carlos’ that has seen two Ukrainian fighter aircraft in the immediate vicinity of MH 017. If we now consider the armament of a typical SU 25 we learn this: It is equipped with a double-barreled 30-mm gun, type GSh-302 / AO-17A, equipped with: a 250 round magazine of anti-tank incendiary shells and splinter-explosive shells (dum-dum), arranged in alternating order. The cockpit of the MH 017 has evidently been fired at from both sides: the entry and exit holes are found on the same fragment of it’s cockpit segment! Now just consider what happens when a series of anti-tank incendiary shells and splinter-explosive shells hit the cockpit. These are after all designed to destroy a modern tank. The anti-tank incendiary shells partially traversed the cockpit and exited on the other side in a slightly deformed shape. (Aviation forensic experts could possibly find them on the ground presumably controlled by the Kiev Ukrainian military; the translator).
The MH 017 looked similar in it’s tricolor design to that that of the Russian President’s plane. The plane with Presdient Putin on board was at the same time ”near” Malaysia MH 017. In aviation circles “close” would be considered to be anywhere between 150 to 200 miles. Also, in this context we might consider the deposition of Ms. Tymoshenko, who wanted to shoot Presdient Putin with a Kalashnikov.
But that this remains pure speculation. The shelling of the cockpit of air Malaysia MH 017, however, is definitely not.
7/19/2014
Photographer Detected in Fiery Wreckage of MH Flight 17
There is nothing to ‘mourn’ about, since the imagery proves it is a fake. He is clearly a camera man from a professional organization. In the midst of the largely controlled fire there is no danger to him. it can be seen that he has sophisticated equipment. Too, the lens cap can seen hanging down.
Of course, he was in no danger in this mere Hollywood-style pyrotechnic display. No doubt, a plane was decimated, but it was through a controlled explosion. That’s why he could take such clear photographs such as this:
Plus, he had easy access to the phony display, since it was right off the road.
It would not be possible for this person to be there unless this was staged. It’s too far away for the agents of the Zionist-controlled media outlets for him to have arrived so timely on the scene. He could not have gotten there before the fires were extinguished.
Nodisinfo retracts claim it was fake, then blames the Jews
Other HoaxesZionist Terror— 18 July 2014
CORRECTED: What Really Happened to Malaysian Flight MH17 – Eyewitness Accounts
UPDATED/CORRECTED: July 19, 2014
NOTE: A video on this site has surfaced demonstrating real bodies at the wreckage of the MH17 flight, which had presumably been staged. It was therefore regarded that serious errors were made in the original postsregarding this flight. Apologies are issued to all those who might have suffered distress over these findings. Yet, there are significant questions that must arise regarding the crash and all its aspects, and an attempt will be made to investigate those here.
It is asked that anyone who might repost such erroneous articles must remove those posts from the Internet for the sake of all involved in this catastrophe, especially the victims.
The statement that the crash may have been staged was then, based on these new findings, to be incorrect. What does still hold, though, is that this was a malicious act and not an airline accident. Is this, then, a real airliner crash through the commission of sabotage?
Andriy Kozlov, expert on International Air Law, says: “The only state which can investigate Malaysia plane crash is Ukraine, involving international and domestic experts.
It sounds like he is staking out his territory. Why would anyone say, publicly, that all hands are off, including those of the nations which purportedly loss dozens of nationals?
Both Kozlov and Kozlovky are Russian/Ukrainian Jewish surnames.
EASTERN EARUOPEAN JEWISH SURNAMES
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Israeli agents gunned down Ukrainian protesters, just like they did to anti-coup protesters in Egypt. Did the Mossad or its assets, then, blow up this plane?
Scott Creighton is saying it's staged by Ukraine government
Employees of Ukraine’s Richest anti-Seperatist Billionaire Record Explosion Prior to Impact… no smoke trail in the air
Posted on July 19, 2014 by willyloman
by Scott Creighton
Sky News has an amateur video from local coal miners purportedly showing the moment of impact when Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 crashed near a roadside in eastern Ukraine. What you see is a ball of fire rising up on the horizon. What you don’t see is the entire video which clearly shows no smoke trail leading from the sky to the crash. What you don’t see… is a plane or parts of a plane.
This is a still shot taken of the first second of the video on the Sky News website. It shows nothing in the air above the crash site. No steamers, no plane, no parts of a plane, no smoke from the reported explosions that “witnesses” claimed they heard and saw in the sky. Nothing. It shows nothing above the crash site.
Then suddenly, boom… orange ball of fire rises from ‘crash site”
Notice the truck tire tracks in the foreground? Notice the coal? Yes folks, that is a coal mine. Yes, those miners were set up to film the explosion in advance and their story is that they only did that because they saw a huge explosion or TWO of them… in the sky. That clearly didn’t happen.
So why would these miners lie? Because Ukraine’s richest man, Rinat Akhmetov, their boss, told them to. That’s why.
Hillary Clinton Explains Motive for Flight MH17 False Flag (video)
Posted on July 19, 2014 by willyloman
by Scott Creighton
Shades of Cheonan?
Hillary Clinton went on the Charlie Rose show the other night and carefully explained the motivation behind the false flag operation known as Flight Mh17. She laid it out very clearly: European nations weren’t joining Obama’s sanctions against Russia so Russia decided to blow-up a plane flying over Europe.
Simple, right?
In the weeks prior to the supposed downing of Flight MH17 several European nations decided against joining Obama’s new sanctions against Russia for allegedly invading Crimea and destabilizing eastern Ukraine so Obama, President Peace Prize, was going it alone. The reason they gave, repeated by Killary herself: they didn’t buy it.
Don’t Ever Expect the Black Boxes from Flight 17 to be Found – FBI Takes Over “Investigation”
Posted on July 19, 2014 by willyloman
by Scott Creighton
I noticed yesterday when researching the supposed downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 that a certain narrative was starting to unfold: Russia took the black boxes. Today, that story has taken shape:
Ukrainian rebel forces have reportedly found the black boxes of the downed Malaysia Airlines plane amid the scattered debris.Moscow-based wire agency Interfax has reported that Ukrainian rebel forces have the black boxes and have agreed to hand it over to the Russian-run regional air safety authority.It is important to know who has the black box because that organization will control the release of the data recordings and information from on board before the plane hit the ground. ABC News
This is important for number of reasons but the most obvious is their attempt to craft an excuse for there being no black boxes found in the wreckage of that flight. You will also notice on that ABC News broadcast they claim the wreckage field is massive, stretching 10 to 12 miles and that the “massive” pieces of the plane are all over the place. Neither of those statements are true. The debris field is tiny and the largest pieces of wreckage (all 5 of them) look like they could easily have been transported on a truck and moved with the aid of 10 or 12 guys. No heavy equipment would have been needed to place any of them.
Looks like it was just rolled off a truck, doesn’t it? The flat part was down, the truck on the road, rolled it off and there it sits.
The engines themselves each weigh around 8-9 tons. No engines were located in the debris field that I saw (may have been pieces of one). No complete fuselage sections. No tail section that I saw. No cockpit section.
Just like the vanishing black boxes, so too goes the supposed rebel controlled BUK missile system that reportedly took down Flight MH17.
Full Text and Translations of @spainbuca’s (Carlos) Twitter Feed
Posted on July 18, 2014 by willyloman
by Scott Creighton
UPDATE: Russian military says Ukrainian BOK systems were deployed in the area while a Ukrainian General Prosecutor says the militias don’t have a BUK missile system. hmmm…
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There is apparently a Spanish air traffic controller who was Tweeting that the Ukrainian military not only was responsible for the downing of Flight MH17 but also that they had come into the air traffic control room where he worked in Keiv, seized flight data records and tried to tell the controllers what they had to say about the downing. He also Tweeted that there were “foreigners” who came in with the Ukrainian military when they locked down the ATC station. He states that military chatter confirmed that it was Keiv that took out the flight, not pro-Russian separatists, but no one apparently knew where the order came from.
- “Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev”
- “What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information”
- “Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from”
Below the break is the full Twitter feed of @spainbuca in chronological order. The source of these translations also reports that it has been confirmed that the identity of this controller is “Carlos”. Could be a hoax. But, here it is.
Important to note: the Twitter feed clearly states that it wasn’t the planes that shot down Flight MH17 but rather a missile launched from an area controlled by the Ukrainian military which coincides with the Russian report out that states a Ukrainian BOK missile system was active in the area when the plane went down.
ITAR-TASS: 2 Ukrainian fighters seen following Malaysian jet minutes before crash
Posted on July 18, 2014 by willyloman
from ITAR-Tass
Two Ukrainian fighters were following the passenger Boeing-777 of Malaysian Airlines several minutes before the crash, Russia’s television Channel One said on Friday, citing a tweet made a Spanish air traffic controller of Kiev’s airport Borispol.
According to the Spanish air traffic controller, two Ukrainian fighters had been seen near the Malaysian jet three minutes before it disappeared from radars.
This information is confirmed by eyewitnesses in the Donetsk region who saw Ukrainian warplanes near the passenger jet. They say they heard sounds of powerful blasts and saw a Ukraine warplane shortly before the crash.
[read more here]
He says it's staged?? Flight MH17′s Tiny Roadside Crash-site (images)
Posted on July 18, 2014 by willyloman
by Scott Creighton
Oh wait… my bad… that’s Flight 93… right next to a road as well … oops. Silly me.
While going over some of the photos of the crash site of Flight MH17 I noticed something odd: most of the photos are taken from a low angle looking across the same debris field like when someone tries to make a crowd at a fake protest seem larger than it actually is. So I looked into it a bit further and I noticed something else: the crash site is right beside the only road into that area. In fact, all the large pieces of debris are right beside the road. Also of note, most reports claim the plane disintegrated in mid-air when it blew up but the crash site is extremely small for such a large plane and it’s relatively confined to that one space. That’s not at all conducive to the reported eye-witness statements that claim the plane came apart at around 33,000 ft traveling at around 500mph. Debris should have been spread out over several debris fields with quite a distance between them like was the case with Flight 800.
Images after the break.
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