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"Google's Ideological Echo Chamber", often referred to as the Google Memo, is an internal memo written by American-based Google engineer James Damore on the company's ideological stance toward diversity. In the memo, Damore argued that Google had shut down the conversation about diversity,[1] and suggested that gender inequality in the technology industry was, in part, due to biological differences between men and women.[2] Google CEO Sundar Pichai responded by saying that the memo "advanc[ed] harmful gender stereotypes", and on August 7 Damore was fired for violating the company's code of conduct.[3]
The memo and subsequent dismissal provoked strong reactions.
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The memo provided an initial summary stating the following points:[4]
- Google's political bias has equated the freedom from offense with psychological safety, but shaming into silence is the antithesis of psychological safety.
- This silencing has created an ideological echo chamber where some ideas are too sacred to be honestly discussed.
- The lack of discussion fosters the most extreme and authoritarian elements of this ideology.
- Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don't have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership.
- Discrimination to reach equal representation is unfair, divisive, and bad for business.
Damore's memorandum claimed that bias within Google clouded their thinking about diversity and inclusion.[5][6] He wrote "the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don't see equal representation of women in tech and leadership". According to Damore, those differences include women generally having a stronger interest in people rather than things (also interpreted as empathizing vs. systemizing), that women tend to be more social, more artistic, and are more prone to neuroticism and anxiety, and have a lower tolerance to stress.[7] The memorandum also went over suggestions on ways to address those differences in order to increase women's representation in tech and without resorting to discrimination.[5][6]
Dated July 2017[8] and initially shared on an internal mailing list, in the first week of August the memo was leaked to the general public resulting in a controversy across social media.[2][9] Google has formally expressed they don't support the document and several current and former employees were highly critical of it. According to Wired, Google's internal forums showed "plenty of support" for Damore[10] who said he received private thanks from employees who were afraid to come forward.[11][12]
Damore was fired by Google on August 7, 2017. The same day, prior to being fired, Damore filed a complaint with the National Labor Relations Board (case # 32-CA-203891).[13][14][15] The complaint is marked as "8(a)(1) Coercive Statements (Threats, Promises of Benefits, etc.)".[16]
Google's Vice President of Diversity & Governance, Danielle Brown, responded formally to the memo on August 8, 2017 and stated: "Part of building an open, inclusive environment means fostering a culture in which those with alternative views, including different political views, feel safe sharing their opinions. But that discourse needs to work alongside the principles of equal employment found in our Code of Conduct, policies, and anti-discrimination laws".[9]
Reactions[edit]
Google[edit]
Google's CEO Sundar Pichai wrote a note to Google employees, supporting Brown's formal response, stating, "much of what was in that memo is fair to debate........ , To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not OK ... At the same time, there are co-workers who are questioning whether they can safely express their views in the workplace (especially those with a minority viewpoint). They too feel under threat, and that is also not OK".[17]
Shortly after the note was published, James Damore was fired.[citation needed]
However, an anonymous survey conducted by corporate chat app Blind, comprising employees from Google and other major Silicon Valley companies, found that the majority (56% of Google employees) of respondents felt that Damore should not have been fired.[18]
Scientific views[edit]
David P. Schmitt, a personality psychologist writing for Psychology Today said that "in my view, claiming that sex differences exist in negative emotionality is not an 'incorrect assumption about gender.' It is an empirically well-supported claim," but that such differences were "unlikely to be all that relevant to the Google workplace", and were "not very large".[19]
The BBC reported conflicting scientific opinions of the memo with Geoffrey Miller, a professor in evolutionary psychology at the University of New Mexico, stating that Damore got "most of the science right" and showed "pretty good judgment about what we know and what we don't know". Gina Rippon, the chair of cognitive brain imaging at Aston University in Birmingham, England, disagreed. She told the BBC: "The key thing for me is that he's got quite a lot of the science wrong."[20]
Peter Singer, Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University and a Laureate Professor at the University of Melbourne, stated of Damore's content that there are "serious articles, published in leading peer-reviewed scientific journals, supporting it." On the issue of Google firing Damore, Singer stated "it isn’t necessary to decide which side is right, but only whether Damore’s view is one that a Google employee should be permitted to express. I think it is."[21]
Jordan Peterson, Professor of Psychology at the University of Toronto, said "It's a pretty straight-forward document as far as I'm concerned, and I've gone through it with a fairly fine-toothed comb as a behavioral scientist, and I would like to state for the record that I believe that what you said in there, if not accurate, was at least representative of the current state of art among well-trained psychometrically informed psychologists who are experts in the field of individual difference."[22]
Free speech concerns[edit]
Damore's firing has raised questions regarding the limits of free speech in the workplace. As noted in several articles published after Damore's termination, First Amendment free speech protections often times do not extend into the workplace, as the First Amendment restricts government action but not the actions of private employers, and employers have a duty to protect their employees against a "hostile work environment".[23]
Others[edit]
Cathy Young in USA Today argued that the memo "had legit points on gender" but that it probably overstates things, while Google's reaction to the memo was harmful since it "lend credence to complaints in the modern workplace, [that] men are the beleaguered sex."[24]
Several employment law experts noted that while Damore could challenge his firing in court, his potential case would be weak and Google would have arguably several defensible reasons for firing him; the discriminatory content of his memo could be cited as evidence of a "hostile work environment" in sexual harassment lawsuits against Google, and that Damore would be unable to fairly assess or supervise the work of female colleagues.[25] However an expert in Californian labor law said to Business Insider that Damore could win the case and his chance is above decent.[26]
In an opinion article for The Guardian, science journalist Angela Saini wrote that the memo reflected common misconceptions about the biological differences between men and women, and demonstrated a flawed understanding of the research it cited.[27][28]
Megan Smith, a former Google vice president, said of Damore's memo "It's so offensive to see what this young man was writing, but it's helpful to see it in the public..." and characterized Damore's statements as "insidious" and that in reading his memo, "...women of all races, men of color, experience what I call death by a thousand paper cuts".[29]
Christina Cauterucci of Slate Magazine drew parallels of arguments from Damore's memo with those of men's rights activists.[30]
Erick Ericksen, a conservative writer for RedState, criticized Google's decision to fire Damore, writing that it showed that "views outside left-wing groupthink are not shareable inside Google."[31]
See also[edit]
- Criticism of Google
- Gender disparity in computing
- Sex differences in intelligence
- Sex differences in psychology
- Sexism in the technology industry
- Women in computing
- Women in STEM fields
References[edit]
- ^ McGirt, Ellen. "Google's Ideological Echo Chamber". Fortune.
- ^ Jump up to:a b "Google Employee's Anti-Diversity Manifesto Goes 'Internally Viral'". Motherboard. Retrieved August 8, 2017.
- Jump up^ "Google fires author of memo criticizing company’s diversity program". The Washington Times. August 7, 2017. Retrieved August 8, 2017.
- Jump up^ James Damore (July 2017). "Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber: How bias clouds our thinking about diversity and inclusion". includes abstract entitled "TL;DR", table of contents, diagrams, footnotes, citations, references. Retrieved August 9, 2017.
- ^ Jump up to:a b "Exclusive: Here's The Full 10-Page Anti-Diversity Screed Circulating Internally at Google [Updated]". gizmodo.com.
- ^ Jump up to:a b Friedersdorf, Conor. "The Most Common Error in Media Coverage of the Google Memo".
- Jump up^ "Google fires employee behind anti-diversity memo, reports say". August 7, 2017.
- Jump up^ "The fired Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to a 'shaming,' 'secretive' diversity program".
- ^ Jump up to:a b Emerson, Sarah (August 5, 2017). ""Google on Anti-Diversity Manifesto: Employees Must 'Feel Safe Sharing Their Opinions'"". Vice. Archived from the original on August 6, 2017. Retrieved August 6, 2017.
- Jump up^ "Internal Messages Show Some Googlers Supported Fired Engineer’s Manifesto".
- Jump up^ Masunaga, Samantha (August 7, 2017). "Here's what Google workers are saying about an employee's controversial diversity manifesto" – via LA Times.
- Jump up^ Wakabayashi, Daisuke (August 8, 2017). "Contentious Memo Strikes Nerve Inside Google and Out". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331.
- Jump up^ Booth, Robert; Hern, Alex (August 8, 2017). "Google employee fired over diversity row considers legal action". The Guardian. Retrieved August 8, 2017.
- Jump up^ Finley, Klint (August 8, 2017). "Google Manifesto Author Just Might Have A Legal Case". Wired. Retrieved August 10, 2017.
- Jump up^ Kovach, Steve (August 8, 2017). "The engineer Google fired over the diversity memo has filed a complaint with federal labor officials". Business Insider. Retrieved August 10, 2017.
- Jump up^ "NLRB". nlrb.gov. Retrieved August 11, 2017.
- Jump up^ "Note to employees from CEO Sundar Pichai". August 8, 2017.
- Jump up^ Bort, Julie (August 10, 2017). "Over half of Google employees polled say the web giant shouldn't have fired the engineer behind the controversial memo". Business Insider. Retrieved August 11, 2017.
- Jump up^ Schmitt, David (August 7, 2017). "On That Google Memo About Sex Differences". Psychology Today. Retrieved August 9, 2017.
- Jump up^ BBC, Was Google wrong to fire anti-diversity memo author?Nalina Eggert, 9 August 2017, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-40865261
- Jump up^ "Why Google was wrong". Retrieved August 11, 2017.
- Jump up^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEDuVF7kiPU&t=2882s
- Jump up^ Naguchi, Yuki (8 August 2017). Google Memo Raises Questions About Limits Of Free Speech In The Workplace. NPR. Retrieved 10 August 2017.
- Jump up^ Young, Cathy (August 8, 2017). Googler fired for diversity memo had legit points on gender. USA Today. Retrieved August 9, 2017.https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/08/googler-fired-diversity-memo-had-point-researchers-agree/548518001/
- Jump up^ Wiessner, Daniel; Wolfe, Jan (August 8, 2017). "Google memo writer faces tough legal road challenging firing". CNBC. Reuters. Retrieved August 11, 2017.
- Jump up^ "James Damore has an 'above decent' chance of winning his legal case against Google". Business Insider. Retrieved 11 August 2017.
- Jump up^ Saini, Angela (7 August 2017). "Silicon Valley’s weapon of choice against women: shoddy science". The Guardian. Retrieved 9 August 2017.
- Jump up^ Romano, Aja. "Google has fired the engineer whose anti-diversity memo reflects a divided tech culture". Vox (8 August 2017). Retrieved 9 August 2017.
- Jump up^ O'Connor, Clare (August 8, 2017). "Google Fires Anti-Diversity Memo Writer, Drawing Ire In Right-Wing Circles". Forbes. Retrieved August 9, 2017.
- Jump up^ Cauterucci, Christina (August 7, 2017). "The Google Anti-Diversity Memo Cribs Its Worst Arguments From Men’s Rights Activists". Slate. Retrieved August 9, 2017.
- Jump up^ Erickson, Erick (August 8, 2017). "Why Google's firing terrifies social conservatives so much". The Washington Post. Retrieved August 11, 2017.
Further reading[edit]
- Wingfield, Nick (August 8, 2017). "The Culture Wars Have Come to Silicon Valley". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331.
External links[edit]
- The memo as PDF or as a web page
- Stefan Molyneux's August 8, 2017 interview with James Damore (YouTube, 45 minutes)
- James Damore interview with Jordan Peterson (YouTube, 51 minutes)
- James Damore's interview with Bloomberg Technology (YouTube, 8 minutes)
- Google Video on Unconscious Bias - Making the Unconscious Conscious by Life at Google (YouTube, 4 minutes)
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(Redirected from Google's Ideological Echo Chamber)"Google's Ideological Echo Chamber" is an internal memo written in August 2017 by American-based Google engineer James Damore on the company's ideological stance toward diversity. The memo focuses on Google allegedly shutting down the conversation about diversity[1], and suggests that gender inequality in the technology industry is "in part" due to biological differences between men and women.[2] Google CEO Sundar Pichai responded by saying that the memo "advanc[ed] harmful gender stereotypes", and on August 7 Damore was fired.[3]
The memo and subsequent dismissal provoked a strong reaction from commentators on both sides. Initially shared on an internal mailing list, the paper was leaked to the public via the Vice vertical Motherboard resulting in heated controversy across social media.[2][4] The company has formally expressed they don't support the document and several current and former employees were highly critical of it. According to Wired, Google's internal forums showed "plenty of support" for Damore[5] who said he received private thanks from employees who were afraid to come forward.[6][7] Several management and employment law experts noted that while Damore could challenge his firing in court, his potential case would be weak and Google would have several defensible reasons for firing him; the discriminatory content of his memo could be cited as evidence of a "hostile work environment" in sexual harassment lawsuits against Google, and that Damore would be unable to fairly assess or supervise the work of female colleagues.[8]
Contents
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- Google's political bias has equated the freedom from offense with psychological safety, but shaming into silence is the antithesis of psychological safety.
- This silencing has created an ideological echo chamber where some ideas are too sacred to be honestly discussed.
- The lack of discussion fosters the most extreme and authoritarian elements of this ideology.
- Extreme: all disparities in representation are due to oppression
- Authoritarian: we should discriminate to correct for this oppression
- Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don't have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership.
- Discrimination to reach equal representation is unfair, divisive, and bad for business.
Reactions
Google's Vice President of Diversity & Governance, Danielle Brown, responded formally to the memo on August 8, 2017 and stated: "Part of building an open, inclusive environment means fostering a culture in which those with alternative views, including different political views, feel safe sharing their opinions. But that discourse needs to work alongside the principles of equal employment found in our Code of Conduct, policies, and anti-discrimination laws".[4] Google's CEO Sundar Pichai in a note to Google employees stated, "To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not OK . . . At the same time, there are co-workers who are questioning whether they can safely express their views in the workplace (especially those with a minority viewpoint). They too feel under threat, and that is also not OK".[10]
Damore was fired by Google on August 7 and announced that he was considering legal action against the company.[11]
Others
USA Today reported that the memo "had legit points on gender" and that Google's reaction to the memo was harmful since it "lend credence to complaints in the modern workplace, [that] men are the beleaguered sex. [12]
David P. Schmitt, a personality psychologist writing for Psychology Today argued both that ‘claiming that sex differences exist in negative emotionality is not an "incorrect assumption about gender." It is an empirically well-supported claim’ and that equally such differences were ‘unlikely to be all that relevant to the Google workplace. [13]
In an opinion for The Guardian, science journalist Angela Saini wrote that the memo reflected common misconceptions about the biological differences between men and women, and demonstrated a flawed understanding of the research it cited.[14][15]
In his tweets Julian Assange of WikiLeaks said he wanted to offer Damore a job and wrote that "censorship is for losers" and "Women & men deserve respect. That includes not firing them for politely expressing ideas but rather arguing back".[16] Megan Smith, a former Google vice president, said Damore's views were common in Silicon Valley and "insidious."[7]
Christina Cauterucci of Slate Magazine draws parallels of arguments from the memo with these of men's rights activists.[17]
See also
References
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- ^ http://fortune.com/2017/08/07/googles-ideological-echo-chamber/
- ^ Jump up to:a b "Google Employee's Anti-Diversity Manifesto Goes 'Internally Viral'". Motherboard. Retrieved August 8, 2017.
- Jump up^ "Google fires author of memo criticizing company’s diversity program". The Washington Times. August 7, 2017. Retrieved August 8, 2017.
- ^ Jump up to:a b Emerson, Sarah (August 5, 2017). ""Google on Anti-Diversity Manifesto: Employees Must 'Feel Safe Sharing Their Opinions'"". Vice. Archived from the original on August 6, 2017. Retrieved August 6, 2017.
- Jump up^ https://www.wired.com/story/internal-messages-james-damore-google-memo/
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- ^ Jump up to:a b Wakabayashi, Daisuke (August 8, 2017). "Contentious Memo Strikes Nerve Inside Google and Out". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331.
- Jump up^ Google memo writer faces tough legal road challenging firing. CNBC, 8 August 2017
- Jump up^https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf
- Jump up^ Note to employees from CEO Sundar Pichai
- Jump up^ Booth, Robert; Hern, Alex (August 8, 2017). "Google employee fired over diversity row considers legal action". The Guardian. Retrieved August 8, 2017.
- Jump up^ Young, Cathy (August 8, 2017). Googler fired for diversity memo had legit points on gender. USA Today. Retrieved August 9, 2017.https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/08/googler-fired-diversity-memo-had-point-researchers-agree/548518001/
- Jump up^ Schmitt, David (August 7, 2017). On That Google Memo About Sex Differences, Psychology Today. Retrieved August 9, 201 https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sexual-personalities/201708/google-memo-about-sex-differences
- Jump up^ Saini, Angela (7 August 2017). "Silicon Valley’s weapon of choice against women: shoddy science". The Guardian. Retrieved 9 August 2017.
- Jump up^ Romano, Aja. "Google has fired the engineer whose anti-diversity memo reflects a divided tech culture". Vox (8 August 2017). Retrieved 9 August 2017.
- Jump up^ Horton, Helena (8 August 2017). "Julian Assange offers job to fired Google employee who wrote anti-diversity memo". The Daily Telegraph. Retrieved 8 August 2017.
- Jump up^ "The Google Anti-Diversity Memo Cribs Its Worst Arguments From Men’s Rights Activists"
Further reading
- Wingfield, Nick (August 8, 2017). "The Culture Wars Have Come to Silicon Valley". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331.
External links
- The memo as PDF or as a web page
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Google Fires Engineer For Noticing Men And Women Are Different Federalist Aug 08, 2017 · Google’s reaction, first condemning the memo and then firing its author, confirms fears about the company’s ideological ‘echo chamber.’
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Aug 08, 2017 · The following is an extract from engineer James Damore's lengthy memo/suicide note.
The following is an extract from engineer James Damore's lengthy memo/suicide note.
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Aug 08, 2017 · From The Memo (edited for format): At Google, we’re regularly told that implicit (unconscious) and explicit biases are holding women back in tech and ...
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Google on Monday fired a software engineer who wrote an internal memo that questioned the company’s diversity efforts and argued that the low number of women in ...
Google fires engineer for women in tech memo video
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James Damore: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
James Damore has been fired from his job as an engineer at Google after he wrote an internal memo critical of the company's diversity policies that leaked online.
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James Damore, the Google employee fired for his controversial manifesto, is (almost certainly) not a victim of a free-speech violation
The First Amendment prevents the government from restricting your speech. It doesn't restrict your employer from controlling your speech when you are at work.
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The Google employee behind a ten-page anti-SJW manifesto that went viral online has been fired.
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theinstigation
theinstigation15 hours ago
A research scientist with a PhD in biology from Harvard and a professor in psychology who has previously worked at Harvard talks about biology and psychology.
What will the public narrative be?
Two white men being racist and sexist.
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F0XTR0T 067 hours ago
What could a Harvard graduate who studied science, engineering and biology possibly really know? He must be a TOTAL idiot if it goes against the social justice warrior narrative at google. Only bad people disagree with them. That's why anyone who disagrees with them will be banned or fired from Google, YouTube and Facebook. Just remember that it's all about freedom of THEIR speech. Not YOUR speech. Its about diversity. If you disagree with them you are no longer "diverse" and its ok, in their minds, to treat you like crap! Its only ok to be straight, white and male if you hate yourself, your heritage, history and want to destroy your way of life and civilization. James Damore didn't say anything racist, bigoted or homophobic. But the left will treat him, like they have treated so many of us who didn't say anything wrong, as if he had. Maybe someday he will be the guy who creates the answer to google. If there was another network I could use instead of google I would be there in a heart beat. Screw google.
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carlotapuig
carlotapuig15 hours ago (edited)
A young talented, committed, productive employee gets fired because he writes a memo inspired by Jonathan Haidt supporting more diversity of thought at the corporation. 1984 is here
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blueone black
blueone black15 hours ago
carlotapuig Their loss, the guy is super smart no doubt he will thrive elsewhere
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carlotapuig
carlotapuig15 hours ago
The image loss for google/utube in the last 2 weeks has been massive. They might have thought they are too big to fail and can afford any totalitarian behaviour but it looks like they have started digging their own grave by blindly opposing science and freedom of speech. The reasons why economy in the west works so much better than elsewhere are precisely the scientific method and freedom of speech. If they mess with that, competitors will thrive.
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SJWs Attack!
SJWs Attack!14 hours ago
I still have zero idea how they benefit. People are saying "google is under pressure from advocacy groups" ... Why?!? Why on Earth would google care about advocacy groups???
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P Harrell
P Harrell13 hours ago
Their investors head the "advocacy groups." That's your Soros type people. They can put pressure on company guidance through removal of investments.
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Maniac50AE
Maniac50AE13 hours ago
blueone black smart people are a dime a dozen! Especially when youre google
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Garrett Spencer
Garrett Spencer12 hours ago
Lol 1984 isn't "here" exactly. But it's sure as shit at google.
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doczg88
doczg8812 hours ago
"Diversity" as they think of it is 50 shades of left. There is all of diversity they want or need. Everything that is outside of 50 shades of left is evil according to them. We are dealing with communist/nazi like fanatics. The only good this is that they are wimps.
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lorddragn1
lorddragn112 hours ago
doczg88 *Far left
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Jonathan Lewis
Jonathan Lewis11 hours ago
they never want diversity of thought.
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iamgoddard
iamgoddard11 hours ago
Seems ideological conformity is more valued than talent @ Google.
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ParallaxView111
ParallaxView11111 hours ago
carlotapuig it's now like Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World." Even the postmodernist's she's to promote an orgy culture is straight out of Brave New World.
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One Dead Pixel
One Dead Pixel11 hours ago
carlotapuig if he was a government employee, sure. But while I don't agree with Google firing him and it says a lot about the culture they have created there, they are perfectly within their rights to do so. Comparing it to 1984 is silly.
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Sonya Trejo
Sonya Trejo9 hours ago (edited)
carlotapuig He was not as valuable to the company as the female senior engineers he insulted. He's a junior engineer. He couldn't even finish his education. He was less talented than the people he insulted. That's how the free-market works.
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P Harrell
P Harrell9 hours ago
Sonya Trejo Thank you for proving that feelings come before facts. Also, that was the entire premise of the memo.
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carlotapuig
carlotapuig8 hours ago
Sonya, he didn't insulted anyone. You need to read the memo. That's the funny thing. He was extremely polite and respectful to anyone while only asking for more diversity (of thought) at the company and also wrote some suggestions to increase the number of females in tech jobs. Just read the memo before spreading that lie. Thanks
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carlotapuig
carlotapuig8 hours ago
One dead Pixel, I don't know US work legislation. I'm my country (in Europe) is absolutely illegal for any private company to fire somebody because of their ideology, race, sex or religion. The same way it is illegal not to serve a person in a restaurant only because of the color of their skin, it is illegal to discriminate against somebody only because of their ideas. It's against the Constitution. Firing some employee because of his ideas of wanting more diversity at the company is extremely strange for a Western democracy, absolutely 1984-level IMHO. I don't understand why Americans believe private companies can do whatever they want. Western democracies fortunately don't work that way. If he sues the company they will have to pay a fortune to him, I can't believe US legislation could be so different to all other Western law systems. Equality regardless of race, sex, religion and political ideas is protected in the west.
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Bernadette Sandoval
Bernadette Sandoval7 hours ago
Sonya Trejo the female senior engineers were insulted by the suggestion that ideological diversity is a valuable good in the workplace? Did this idea create a hostile workplace for them? Did they threaten to sue for harassment as members of a protected class unless this kid was fired? Are they more fragile as a group? Do they have a habit of threatening to sue google? Was the legal dept consulted? Risk management? Were the potential lawsuits compared? Was reputational risk considered?
Please do tell.
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MikeKay1978
MikeKay19787 hours ago
I'm wondering where google draws the line. Do you remember that gold/blue dress ?http://www.businessinsider.com/is-the-dress-white-and-gold-black-and-blue-2015-2?r=US&IR=T&IR=T
If your opinion differs from the google managers opinion does that makes you eligible to get fired?
What about different religion?
I hope this goes to the courts cause because this level of censorship and engineering opinions is very much 1984.
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Billy97
Billy977 hours ago
Sonya Trejo The female senior engineers were insulted by scientific knowledge? How can you be a competent engineer if you are insulted by science?
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Tadeusz Tomaszew
Tadeusz Tomaszew7 hours ago
well... maybe hired to fill quotas?
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Jonathan Lewis
Jonathan Lewis7 hours ago
is holding a different ideology from other people in the company is an insult?
RT UK Published on Aug 9, 2017 A Google employee was sacked over a memo criticising their diversity practices but Wikileaks has offered him a job. http://youtube.com/RTUKnews
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